A burn that would make Chen Weihua proud. Chud tries to pretend like they care about science education in order to hide their bigotry (we know what they mean when they rail against “diversity in academia”) but they can’t even get basic math right.
5x wouldn’t be so bad because China is like 4.5x the population. This means China is producing 2x the stem grads per capita and that is pretty serious.
Correct. However (see my reply to the other comment), some people, for instance US government agencies, are making the argument that the way China classifies STEM is too broad and thus the numbers are allegedly not comparable. Also this is 2016 data.
If that number isn’t higher than 9 by now, it will be soon, China is about to start investing more in education, whereas the USA seems to be taking a “education is for the rich” attitude.
Russia and Iran putting up some numbers tbh
Weird how countries that put effort into nurturing and cultivating their citizens come out on top over those who leave them to go fuck knows where after their half-assed public schooling is over.
Also what is that per capita?
Cuz like yeah US schools suck and our testing standards are a joke but China has 1.7 billion people vs the US less than half a billion.
1 for every ~700 Americans compared to 1 for every ~377 Chinese.
Might be better to adjust for age groups too, but whatever.
okay so still as expected a better ratio but not 5x
The point of this post was mostly just to laugh at the right winger. But since you asked, the math goes like this:
These are 2016 stats. In 2016 China had a population of 1.38 billion. The graph shows something like 4.6 million graduates. That makes around 0.33% of the population. In 2016 the US had a population of 323 million. The graph shows about 0.5 million graduates. That comes out to just over 0.15% of the population. Thus we see, according to this graph, in 2016 the per capita numbers of STEM graduates in China were over twice those of the US.
Edit: I couldn’t read the exact numbers on the graph so i looked it up. WEF says China had 4.7 million STEM grads in 2016, so i was slightly undercounting. On the other hand, the US’s National Science Foundation apparently claims that China classifies engineering and science fields too broadly, leading to a lack of comparability in the data. The U.S. government claims there were only 1.6 million Chinese science and engineering graduates in 2014. Sounds a bit like cope to me but frankly i just spent all of 2 minutes looking this up, i have no idea who is right.
ok but that still make Zha’s claim false based on population size. I’m not even posting any of this as anti-china as I am sure you know me well enough, just pointing out it’s statistically false and easily debunkable therefore a bad post on Zha’s part.
No, Carl’s claim was not false since neither he nor the OP were talking about per capita numbers. It was the original tweet that first complained about China graduating more STEM students in absolute numbers, not relative to population sizes, and Carl replied with a correction in the same metric. At most you could say that it’s misleading to cite absolute numbers without also mentioning differences in population size, but again, that’s on the OP.
I guess the original poster thinks that even though the US has a smaller population, they should be graduating more STEM students than China, probably because they’re a silly racist who thinks that non-Western countries wouldn’t or shouldn’t even be able to achieve the same, let alone better, performance per capita as the US if it weren’t for “the Left” and their “diversity” messing things up.
If I have nine guys digging a hole, and you have one, it does not matter how many onlookers there are.
But I like it when people watch me dig holes…
