Idk UK and France also make a strong case, USA is a bigger warhawk today, but in the past, they were even bigger assholes. Actually that’sa pretty tough call depending on what era
The UK, France, and Spain created the US, they killed the indigenous populations and established settler colonies. The current US is merely continuing the settler project that the UK, France, and Spain started. Canada is doing the same sans Spain. The US, after taking its own sovereignty then built its empire on European finance capital, European proletarians, European markets, European jurisprudence, and European slave trade, as well as inheriting the European enslavement of indigenous peoples.
Then the US, being better situated for growth, challenged Europe for the sole right to project power around the world and won, supplanting European war power with a war power projected by a European settler colony. That is to say, it’s not any different whether it’s the UK, France, Spain, or the US doing it, they are literally just passing the same baton around and around.
Just like we shouldn’t play the game of “most oppressed minority”, we also shouldn’t try to play the game of “most oppressive eurocentric hegemon”.
This is true. All of the West acts as bloc. I’d argue that the passing of the baton represents an evolution in form. The Europeans all participated in the greatest crime in history when the colonized the Americas, but the United States was manufactured from that atrocity. Europe existed as an organic people before capitalism and colonialism. The United States has nothing real before it’s conception. It’s a nation manufactured from genocide and slavery.
It’s a continuation of Europe but the very act of continuation is a transformation into something beyond what Europe was.
Think about it this way. The Europeans stated the slavery, but America created the very idea of whiteness. White Supremacy was born with the Birth of the Nation. It came to age in America as Eugenics before it went to infect Germany where it reached it’s adulthood as Nazism. When the Russians defeated it, America protected it. America brought it home. It integrated it into it’s fabric, making the post war American State.
When Europe attempted to flee and move beyond it, America overthrew their attempts. They put the Nazis back in charge. They put them in charge of all of Europe. They made NATO and gave the Nazi’s NATO.
This historical process is the American Historical Dialectic. It is uniquely evil.
Some of it is scale while other aspects hint at a difference in quality. As far as direct differences in quality, America had agent orange because it went out of it’s way to create it. America had operation Phoenix because it went out of it’s way to create an extra-legal arm of the state.
As far as difference in scale, at a certain magnitude difference of scale represents a difference in quality. Quantitative changes lead qualitative outcomes. People have their limits of what evil they are willing to do to each other. When those limits are removed that is a difference in quality. Mass murder of civilians, burning of villages of people alive, raping children in front of their parents. That represents a different kind of thing. I don’t think the French were willing to go there.
Idk UK and France also make a strong case, USA is a bigger warhawk today, but in the past, they were even bigger assholes. Actually that’sa pretty tough call depending on what era
The UK, France, and Spain created the US, they killed the indigenous populations and established settler colonies. The current US is merely continuing the settler project that the UK, France, and Spain started. Canada is doing the same sans Spain. The US, after taking its own sovereignty then built its empire on European finance capital, European proletarians, European markets, European jurisprudence, and European slave trade, as well as inheriting the European enslavement of indigenous peoples.
Then the US, being better situated for growth, challenged Europe for the sole right to project power around the world and won, supplanting European war power with a war power projected by a European settler colony. That is to say, it’s not any different whether it’s the UK, France, Spain, or the US doing it, they are literally just passing the same baton around and around.
Just like we shouldn’t play the game of “most oppressed minority”, we also shouldn’t try to play the game of “most oppressive eurocentric hegemon”.
This is true. All of the West acts as bloc. I’d argue that the passing of the baton represents an evolution in form. The Europeans all participated in the greatest crime in history when the colonized the Americas, but the United States was manufactured from that atrocity. Europe existed as an organic people before capitalism and colonialism. The United States has nothing real before it’s conception. It’s a nation manufactured from genocide and slavery.
It’s a continuation of Europe but the very act of continuation is a transformation into something beyond what Europe was.
Think about it this way. The Europeans stated the slavery, but America created the very idea of whiteness. White Supremacy was born with the Birth of the Nation. It came to age in America as Eugenics before it went to infect Germany where it reached it’s adulthood as Nazism. When the Russians defeated it, America protected it. America brought it home. It integrated it into it’s fabric, making the post war American State.
When Europe attempted to flee and move beyond it, America overthrew their attempts. They put the Nazis back in charge. They put them in charge of all of Europe. They made NATO and gave the Nazi’s NATO.
This historical process is the American Historical Dialectic. It is uniquely evil.
America and France both fought the Vietnamese. Which one represented an evil so thourough as to make it unique with regard to the other?
I think that’s a good question. Does France have a My Lai incident or anything comparable to agent orange? Is it just a difference in scale?
Some of it is scale while other aspects hint at a difference in quality. As far as direct differences in quality, America had agent orange because it went out of it’s way to create it. America had operation Phoenix because it went out of it’s way to create an extra-legal arm of the state.
As far as difference in scale, at a certain magnitude difference of scale represents a difference in quality. Quantitative changes lead qualitative outcomes. People have their limits of what evil they are willing to do to each other. When those limits are removed that is a difference in quality. Mass murder of civilians, burning of villages of people alive, raping children in front of their parents. That represents a different kind of thing. I don’t think the French were willing to go there.
I really like how you phrased this!
Thank-you!