• intelisense@lemm.ee
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    13 hours ago

    I still believe this was a targeted campaign to get dems to sit out. Their strategy is to spread as much shit as possible, and as soon as they see something that sticks, push it hard. It’s sad, but this strategy is extremely effective against the left because we’re all too eager to find a reason not to support the dems.

    The only defence is to be aware of this strategy. Rather than shit on people, try to explain how they’ve been duped so next time they have a chance of noticing.

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      11 hours ago

      You’re right, and that’s why it’s the DNC/harrisncampaign’s fault.

      Harris needed to put daylight on the issue, and instead just assumed “yeah but trump is worse” would actually be effective.

      They didn’t reach voters and basically allowed gop propaganda and lies to reach their base without answer.

      They just assumed voters were there like in ‘16, and this time the voters told them they weren’t. And here we are.

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        5 hours ago

        She should have done all of that, but they would have just found a different wedge issue.

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          32 minutes ago

          So it’s inevitable?

          No.

          Democrats act like they’re entitled to votes.

          They’re not. It’s their job, during a campaign, to attract and motivate voters. That’s how it works.

          Is it fair that the republican base is easily motivated with racist fear and general bigotry? Not really. But that’s the job.

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        This is some revisionist bullshit. She told you how bad it will be. You said nuh uh.

        Now the leopard is eating your face.

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        Y’all have so much hindsight, but ignore the complete stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on politics in this country. Coming out in support of Palestine would have been the death knell for any candidate.

        Don’t overestimate the size of your demographic just because you choose to live in a bubble.

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      11 hours ago

      I’m sure it was advertised and amplified for electoral purposes, but this wasn’t some drummed up issue. No one made Biden send all that support or made Harris avoid the issue. This wasn’t some purity test for an obscure policy that the administration was powerless to change, it was a major moral issue that was directly related to their choices and fully within their power to address. No one should ever have been surprised to see Muslims being driven away from the party for ignoring a genocide being perpetrated with American weapons playing out across all our smartphones. Like, duh, of course they’re not going to turn out.

      Here’s the very expert they’re quoting here warning the Democrats about it.

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      There is almost no greater wedge issue that could have been used to shatter the left.

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          Actual leftist oppose fascism. You’re enabling this trump genocide and fascism at the same time. Your high horse is a dachshund. Sit down.

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        Doesn’t matter - their technique will always find the greatest wedge issue because they start by spreading insane amounts of shit and use monitoring to find which ones are gaining traction. All this is a guess, but it’s such an obvious strategy that I’d be amazed if it wasn’t how they’re working.

        I’m from the U.K., so I was lucky enough to experience what I believe was a PoC of this technique during our referendum for PR voting. That time, there were two wedge issues: baby incubators and - I hope I’m getting this right because my memory is hazy - bullet-proof vests for soldiers. Neither of those things were remotely related to the question… but as soon as they started to gain traction, they were pushed hard. Brexit was more money for the NHS. With Jeremy Corbin, it was support for Palestine. With Kamela, it was lack of support of Palestine. None of it needs to make sense, so long as it works as a wedge.

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          You remembered correctly https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12564879

          For readers outside the UK, it should be added that even if the UK somehow really couldn’t afford the tiny fraction of its budget that the ads describe, the number was utter horseshit too. Whether or not there was any truth never mattered

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          Why is it a wedge issue? Why are there pro-genocide Democrats? There shouldn’t even be pro-genocide Republicans.