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    Actually the best part of the is the learner / educator division. Like yes, toddlers should be teaching us organic chemistry, anything else is age segregation.

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      That’s what happens in modern schools. The 12 year olds are expected to teach the 6 year olds. Is an old, established, and successful way of schooling.

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          Montessori schools. But these methods seem to be trickling down into conventional schools too, in some regions.

          As for age segregation, they segregate the classes on ability rather than age.

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    The whole online discourse that uses words like cuck, simp, chad/virgin, etc, etc, is so fucking annoying…sorry I had just had to get that off my chest. “schoolcucks” is no different.

    These perpetually online anarchists that hate education always portray it as what it currently is in capitalist society. I don’t know how they think things like modern medicine, engineering, computer science, etc, are taught, but it needs a formal educational system, but one that will look different under socialism.

    I can still remember a tweet from years ago where an anarchist was asked how would someone become a doctor without formal schooling, and the response was basically “just go find a doctor and have them show you,” like it would be some type of apprenticeship

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        It just made me think that whoever thought that was a good idea had their mind stuck in the 1800’s, when someone would go study with a doctor, but all the doctor was really able to do was pull teeth, stitch wounds, and amputate people

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    Communists in the 3rd world: “Finally we’ve achieved free accessible public education for the masses, now our children can read and eventually become doctors and scientists and create a better world for us all.”

    Anarkids: “Literally fascism schoolcuck!”

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    A revolutionary society will, of necessity, eventually revolutionize education and the way children learn will be unrecognizable compared to the education system we have come to know under capitalism. It will have significant age desegragation, it will significantly blur the line between teachers and students, and it will have almost none of the performance management trappings we recognize today.

    That said, anarchists continue to demonstrate a lack of any serious analysis as they continue to identify faults in systems and apply the theory of action known as “tear it all down and see what happens”. We know what’ll happen: schools with mostly the same pathologies will reemerge because nothing about the conditions that produced thise pathologies has changed.

    Much like the withering away of the state, we will see the withering away of the primary and secondary education systems as we eliminate the conditions that gave rise to them.

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      the way children learn will be indistinguishable from the education system we have come to know under capitalism.

      Do you mean unrecognizable?

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      Anarchists are really good at imagining an ideal society, but never seriously ask themselves how to get there beyond what would make a loud spicy proclamation for high attention yield tweets.

      Romanticized doomerism…it’s not SUPPOSED to be seriously pursued, a better world is destined to fail duh, I just gotta make sure everyone knows how spicy and intelligent my takes are.

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    Is this a satire account? I am having a harder and harder time believing these are real humans. It has to be either satire or a glowing getting paid.

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      I’ve met a good dozen or so people just like this IRL, they exist for sure and in a wide variety of places and spaces. Luckily some normal people can draw the line before this, but a bothersome amount of otherwise normal people are so scared of being wrong that they nod their heads along.

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    Yes it’s a silly post. But this is a real interesting issue.

    Conventional school is one extreme, no school is another extreme. Montessori’s ideas brought the world a step in the right direction. I wouldn’t be surprised if the second post was taken directly from her writing. Education still needs to shift a good bit further from what it’s like today.

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      Yes, but improving education is hard thing to do when libs try to defund it everywhere and turn it into simple workforce replication tool.

      At best.

      Usually it’s just “education expensive, we need to make it private” and then “why there aren’t anyone with the exact specialist education willing to work for my shitty company (for free)”.

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    I give them that the abolition of such a division is necessary, insofar as I see an increasing need of sending grown adults back to the classroom

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        A compelling thought, though with the likely advent of fully automated, digitally integrated agriculture in the coming decades, such a program must obviously serve to educate the students much more than boost farm outputs. The farms of the future - which the students need to visit - will need to be condensed inside vertical factory buildings to specialise in algae, invertebrates, and hydroponics, they will possess the technological capability to industrially produce both milk and meat without featuring a single cow; and as such be much more abstracted from nature-proper than the current “conventional” model. I must especially advise against the romanticisation of the small old private farms, which explicitly goes against the lessons learnt from Soviet mechanisation.

        Moreover, industrial society suffers neither from a shortage of food nor of specialised technical skills, but from a lack of basic general knowledge; which begs the question why farming should be special in meriting its own such program. Would it not be better for students to also be acquainted with workplaces that are and will remain closer to nature, like forestry and biological conservation; or in need of more immediate social attention, like health and elderly care?

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    I bet my left nut this guy became an anarchist because he blames society for getting bad grades and having no friends despite not putting any effort in getting either