back at it with another ridiculous question. As I have been developing my personal ideology, I’ve found that I reject much of the socially progressive ideas in corpo media and twitter (conservatives call it identity politics). Stuff like abolishing the nuclear family (or pride flag on drones joke) that doesn’t look to change any economic or material reality I find I don’t agree with.

First and second wave feminism I support as they changed the material realities for women, but the push for things like gender reassignment surgery under 16 years (i wanted to be in the cia when I was this age, people change personalities quickly during their teenage years) among other socially progressive ideas (bedtime abolition and the like) seem to be far removed from any type of class struggle and even hurt the working class.

Expressing this on Twitter got me called a nazbol (of course) but am I? Does being socially conservative but economically progressive make me a redfash? I understand intersectionality and that you can be trans and poor but focusing so heavily on non class issues seems detrimental for workers, even if they get some progressive tidbits.

plz feel free to own me if I’m spitting straight crap wrote this on my phone b4 work

edit: the thoughtful genzedong comments/commenters make this community the only place I’d be willing to ask a question like this, thanks for that, and the info you share so that myself and others can be better communists 💪🇨🇳👍

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    This makes a lot of sense. I see the more socially conservative china (even though they have minority rep) with less idpol and more class consciousness as they embrace a more collective society. While I believe that we can and should have praxis for minority allies but we should be critical of the culture war perpetrated by the corporate media as a whole. Conservatives and liberals fighting about idpol draws prospective communists into the red vs blue bullshit because both camps are anti China and AES

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      I don’t have the time to read all the comments bc I need to sleep, so I will just jump in. Be careful with attributing actual progressive politics with liberal virtue signaling. Liberals have co-opted the veneer of “liberation” but have in many ways just created a different kind of trap. I heard it put super well by a feminist leftist who I respect a lot : the freedom to choose includes the freedom to say no to working. (The ideal would be that one day men could make that decision as well - some men are extremely well suited to raising kids, making a home, etc.)

      On the racial front Malcolm X literally warned African Americans about liberals Do not fall into the false dichotomy created by the corporate media. If you are truly for the liberation of your fellow human being, you will see the conservative and liberal ideologies as the trap they are. Both lead to enslavement That image of fascism vs liberal (with the boot having balloons and party streamers for liberalism - but it’s the same boot) is no joke.

      As someone who was probably similarly raised to you (CIA/military aspiration kind of kid) let me tell you this: GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD THAT LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS WITH BETTER PR! and also that the average person on the street who is a “true believer” in the ideology of their political party has nothing to do with the people making decisions… you think nancy pelosi or ted cruz are hemming and hawing about transgender children. Don’t fall for the illusion that they actually believe what they say.

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        Yeah that’s what I disagree with mostly not the people who got duped and are now defending the liberal virtue signalars (vote blue no matter who types and anarchists mostly) so frustrated seeing people defend something against their interest