I believe the tweet is referring to a specific type of online marxist who are transphobic.

Let me know if I should edit the title.

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    It’s worrying to see an increase of ‘marxists are transphobic!!’ posts because I am yet to see an anti-trans marxist. It feels like some people are deliberately stirring up shit.

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        Always going to be some shitheads. I’ve not seen any since I got off Twitter myself a few years ago. Ideally, if we do anything with this information, it’s to dissociate with these bad elements that may have been hiding in plain sight or skirting by.

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      There are lots of conservative armchair communists online, not so much irl. But the online ones create the public impression that all marxists are transphobic, anti-feminist, and racist and this very powerfully sticks in the minds of anarchists, including people I’ve known irl.

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          I think that might be what it evolves to, in the end. But imo most current patsocs (even Maupin and Haz) are just useful idiots who don’t see the connection even when people are drawing big red circles around it for them. They think (deep in the part of their brain they use to justify their worldview to themselves) that reading Lenin makes them immune to propaganda.

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      I just started seeing it flood into my timeline around the same time the cannibal “anarchist” that abuses everyone in their circle started asking for a bail fund. Can’t help but wonder if these things are related and intentional to promote the beef between our communities. It’s all nonsense and I called out to my locals to not entertain it, it’ll blow away within a week if we let it. Anyone with sense and/or firsthand experience in Marxist circles knows transphobia doesn’t fly in the majority.

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    Nose jobs and boob lifts are gender affirming surgeries for the cis ppl and they do it to minors so it’s very funny when they lie about trans surgeries being performed on minors because there’s no reality where that is happening

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      That’s a pretty good point comrade. It is a more serious example of the phenomenon of “it’s okay to sexualize kids as long as it is my sexual orientation” exemplified by the parents talking about how their 4 year old son “has a girlfriend” or the extreme cases where they do a mock wedding photo shoot for 4 year olds… (seems like a pretty american idea lol)

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    Reminds me of shit like this on twitter. I’m torn between this being someone who thinks they are communist like a patsoc and needs beating down or some arsehole pretending to be one to demonise communism.

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    It’s a fine line you have to walk when you understand and support trans rights but also know the hyper capitalist Pharmaceutical companies of the west will do everything they can, to hook anyone and everyone they can, onto medications. Some of which they have to take for life. They don’t care about helping anyone they only want to sell product. Not just hormones for trans people but everything. How many people out here are taking meds they don’t need cause some doctor is getting a bonus for it? Anxiety, depression, blood pressure, cholesterol, hormones etc etc etc. It’s such a fucked up situation that we can’t trust medicine because of who controls it.

    I’m really glad China is starting their own trans care facilities. I have far more trust in a system that’s about solving problems and not just selling product. I trust their system to help these people and do the right thing.

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      Certainly. Refusal to engage with this nuance is how we get anti-vaxxers who are rightfully pretty skeptical of the pharma industry but have an un-nuanced analysis which is largely astro-turfed and weaponized

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      I wouldn’t say things like antidepressants and anxiolytics are not needed. At least not for everyone. It is possible that depression and anxiety are in some people symptoms for causes that are not solved by the use of medications. Capitalist world is pretty toxic grow up in for a lot of people. But many still need these medications to be able to function.

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        I never said medications and treatments aren’t needed. I’m saying I don’t trust out capitalism healthcare system to give proper diagnosis or treatment. Because it’s not about treating and helping people. It’s about selling product. Just look at the controversies surrounding SSRIs. It’s unbelievable we are even allowed to call these things medication, and yet they are prescribed so readily.

        They don’t want to fix the problem, just control enough of the symptoms to keep you hooked on their “cure” for as long as possible.

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          Same attitude as anti vaxxers, big pharma just wants profit (which is an exploitative system) therefore fuck vaccines. It’s always these same people that have never studied pharmacology a single day in their life.

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            This is a terrible take that generalizes any distrust of oligarchy controlled US pharma as being some Joe Rogan watching antivax chud.

            I literally work in the supply chain for a pharmaceutical company that makes COVID vaccines. I have gotten both shots of the vaccines and think generally most of the populace should, but I also understand that they could be manufactured with safer ingredients, but aren’t, because of cost. It’s not the mRNA that’s the issue like all these antivaxers screech about. There are two side to this coin. There are ways to keep vaccines sterile and safe without the use of mercury containing compounds. We do it for vacs used for infants and it took years of pushing. They still use them for all flu and other vaccines meant for adults because “the adult body can process it.” This is due to the preservative being ethylmercury in place of methylmercury. Ethylmercury is supposedly safer as it’s able to be cleared for the body more easily than methyl… Unless you are one of the unfortunate individuals who has a genetic abnormality that can’t. Then I guess fuck those people right? All because it would be a little harder, and a little more expensive, to not put mercury in vaccines. Heaven forbid we do a little more work to not needlessly put heavy metals in the bodies of our populace.

            At least vaccines have a positive effect overall. Not the complete travesty that is SSRIs. Serotonin is not the “happy hormone” these companies make it out to be. It’s a stress hormone the body uses to signal being in a dangerous environment and the need to conserve energy. This includes reducing brain function. It’s why so many people on these drugs like fucking Prozac feel just “meh” all the time. Because the brain is running on low power mode. It’s why it makes people not want to do much and also why weight gain is a common side effect. It’s also why it’s quite common for people to end up feeling more depressed, more suicidal, and more aggressive. Not surprising a significant portion of mass shooters in the US were on these medications. The only reason they say shit like “well you have to be on them for a while before they work” is because in the long run the medication has the opposite effect solely because the BODY adjusts and lowers its own output of serotonin to compensate for what the drug is doing. It literally only works because the body reacts in the opposite direction of what the medication does. We have studies on this. We have proof this shit doesn’t work they way it’s claimed but they are making so much money and have the FDA in their pocket.

            Meanwhile we have more and more research into psychedelics and drugs like psilocybin mushrooms and how they are being shown to be an actual potential cure for anxiety and depression. So what did we do? Make them and keep them illegal. Cause we can’t have anything to threaten the profits of our prescious Eli Lilly.

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    I actually have a weird question (not trans myself). Isn’t estrogen stupidly overpriced?

    The “cheapest” form of estrogen available from a pharmacy here is a can of transdermal gel containing about 0.048g of estradiol. One can could last a month or half depending on dosage and application area. It’s sold for about 10-20 USD (varies by USD exchange rate, but isn’t cheap at all), and about 20 cans can be produced from 1g of estradiol. (I assume).

    Some Chinese suppliers seem to sell Estradiol powder at rate of ~1-3USD/gram. (image attached, no sure how trustworthy it is. some ppl on r/estrogel say they get their powder from that site)

    I know the process of making that gel needs more ingredients and involves many steps, including quality controls, but isn’t pharma’s profit margin rly high here?

    Not endorsing DIY solutions at all, but even with absorption issues (patented components improve it) they seem to be much more accessible, particularly to people in poor regions of the world.

    Here’s a wiki entry from a DIY community I mentioned before, it explains my concerns better than I do. https://www.reddit.com/r/estrogel/wiki/index/

    Screenshot from Chinese supplier shop (made-in-china)

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      It seems to greatly depend on the country and your insurance and whether you’re doing a scrip or diy.

      https://teddit.net/r/asktransgender/comments/3h6i66/hrt_costs_in_other_countries/

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

      Some countries with decent trans healthcare laws (Cuba/Argentina/Pakistan) subsidise it to make it completely free or low cost. While places like the US will make it cheaper IF you find a job with good insurance. You won’t find the same price even in two different cities or two different months due to the way insurance and store pricing fluctuate constantly. Without insurance it can be $150+ for a 90 day supply or $60+ for a 30 day supply. With insurance this goes down to $10-25 in both cases.

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        Most trans subreddits seem to be rly against DIY (for good reasons), and I think since most people there are Westerners they have a different perception of what is expensive and what is not. I also don’t have a reddit account, and maybe I did not expect an answer. (question is mostly rhetorical)

        Thanks for responding regardless. :)