Obviously Ukraine will be a lot smaller and diffrent looking on map by then. Sad to see Montengro, North Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Greece and Romania on wrong side :(

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    I believe so. The aim of a war is to compel a nation to make a decision they would not make of their own volition (To quote Thomas Beaufort “Bloody constraint” - Henry V; Or as Clausewitz put it “war is politics by other means”). And that is what the sanctions, proxies, terrorist orgs, color revolutions, and propaganda campaigns and so forth are designed to do.

    The monetary policies and sanctions represent the financialization of war in much the same way that WWI represented the mechanization of war. Trade wars are no joke. Millions die.

    And I mean the US has been at war with China by funding the terrorists in Xinjiang for years… Just not openly at war.

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        Communism is assured to win comrade.

        Yeah I actually think the empire may go out with a whimper (no nukes) because the leadership is so incompetent and they would have such a hard time justifying a kinetic war to the population. They will turn to fascism domestically and the people will revolt or be liberated eventually imo.

        The average american literally never knew we were an empire at our height and so they will slowly inexplicably watch their quality of life deteriorate.

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          Yes. Also, what is up with Indians defending Isn’t real and blaming China 24/7 on internet? India is supposed to be based anti-imperialist country, and it is an ally of Russia, but what is up with attacking China and defening ISRAEL?

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            India is a massive target of Western propaganda/soft power. And unlike China, they have not had the political willpower to build a great firewall. Also, the british never really left. In fact some people say that Gandhi was a british agent designed to bring religion into the discussion of independence where it wasn’t before and that making the independence movement focus on hinduism was part of the British Architecture to divide and Conquer Pakistan and India. This would track with the way in which the Pakistani military and ISI can be seen almost as extensions of the UK then the US militaries. India is one of the most resource and population rich nations on earth, just like China and so the Brits were not about to give it up easily. The British have always used religion as a key part of socially engineering populations to create exploitable divisions (divide and conquer) beginning with their own and Irish populations.

            India is not a monolith and not all indians you see online represent India. Furthermore I don’t think that I would call india fully an ally of russia just yet. I would color India purple (and I might make Morocco Blue and turkey purple to a lesser extent)

            Final point, The internet is full of bots, and this is exactly the kind of sentiment they would leverage using astroturfing techniques… supporting Israel against their muslim neighbors.

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                Many Indian marxists will say it - here is an Indian jurist saying it. the short version is that independence was inevitable but the UK wanted to retain as much influence over India as possible and selected this south african indian-born lawyer they thought they could control and positioned him to lead a “non violent revolution” when in reality there was an ongoing successful Marxist-Leninist (maybe maoist I am not super familiar) revolution which was gaining ground. So it was either independence a the point of a gun or independence they could manage and they could keep the pakistan-india wound fresh in order to manipulate the region. I am missing a lot of details and probably overstating it a bit but that is the gist.

                Morocco’s king is a western lapdog and Erdogan is definitely in NATO but he really plays both sides. https://thecradle.co/Article/News/14004

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                    I think that given enough time all of them will. Socialism is literally the only way to structure a modern society absent exploitation of the global south. Socialists/ML’s have been yelling this for years but now the G7 countries are about to learn the hard way. The Global south is standing up like China did and the West must adapt or die (recede to a subsistence sort of propaganda/physically imposed feudalism).

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                    Well, Spain, Italy, and Greece have already been betrayed by the EU. Greece is quite radical and has a strong communist party.

                    Then there’s Eastern Europe, which has also been looted by North East Europe since the 1990s, and most of the people never wanted to abandon the Soviet system. Now, that’s an ageing demographic, but those voters are still around and may still be working.

                    The younger sections of Eastern Europe could be persuaded easily enough to rebel against Western Europe considering their homes have been gentrified and Western Europe has demonised and used them as cheap labour for 30 years.

                    This is only the factions of the working class.

                    There will be factions in the capitalists who are unhappy with doing the bidding of the US empire and who will see war as an opportunity to gain or regain their own empire. That would have it’s own negative consequences, but it would weaken any imperialist alliance.

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          I actually think the empire may go out with a whimper (no nukes) because the leadership is so incompetent and they would have such a hard time justifying a kinetic war to the population.

          I think there’s a different reason they won’t use nukes. The empire serves the interests of the capitalists, and capitalists make less money in a nuclear wasteland. Between a nuclear wasteland and a world where they can’t control the superpower, they’ll take the latter. It’s more profitable.

          It’s why China is surviving US hostility where the USSR didn’t. Deng’s “Lay low and develop the productive forces” strategy made SWCC like a virus that bypasses the immune system and gets into the vital organs. They can’t harm China without harming themselves.

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            Couldn’t agree more.

            The only thing I would add is that capitalists ought to have it’s own categories. The monopolists (primary sector and logistics) are having a field day gouging the shit out of people right now while other companies suffer bad. Overall though I agree with your assessment.