Seems like most of y’all just think that since the “capitalist” countries are run by corrupt power hungry pricks that means the “communist” countries must be the good guys.
They’re all run by power hungry billionaires and you’re all being played.
(All the “” are cuz no country is run by anyone who follows the religions i mean economic theories, they’re all run by power hungry people who use the people and pit them against eachother to distract from the fact were dying and working for cults)
inb4 the ban hammer (and sickle?) drops on me
When they come to lemmygrad, they’re not sending their best.
lmao you just proved my point. you will repeat some sus shit a piece of shit says\does as long as its targeted towards your “other”
You’ve been engaging in bad faith for days, dog. Nobody owes you shit when you’re coming at our throats from the get-go with unsourced bullshit claims and accusations.
days?
also yeah nobody owes me shit, if you think im arguing in bad faith dont “feed the troll” im already getting downvoted to hell block me and move on if you think im “coming at your throat”
ive actually learned a couple things from muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml
Yes, literally days. Have you looked at your own post history? It’s indicative of someone with something to prove. Log off or go back to lemmy.
Wonderful. You have not been treating them as an equal, and I’m 100% positive you’re not reading their sources either. I’m glad you’re learning something, but your reddit memelord shitlib behavior doesn’t indicate that whatsoever.
I’m not the one linking racist UK and US rags as evidence that “China bad!!”
Again, why not just admit you know absolutely nothing about China’s political system, and actually learn about it from people here?
im not say “china bad” im saying “thin skinned billionaire authoritarian bad” but ok
ive already stated ive learned some thing from some of ur links
its pretty wild you will see articles about billionaires and go “cant trust these evil racist rags” and then link a article that states “96! percent of people approve of the government” and think thats reliable. 96% dog. come on
its pretty wild you will see articles about billionaires and go “cant trust these evil racist rags” and then link a article that states “96! percent of people approve of the government” and think thats reliable. 96% dog. come on
Literally a multi-year study run by harvard, because its clear your racist ass doesn’t trust anything said by a Chinese person.
a study run by harvard is supposed to matter now that it supports this absurd claim?
do you not think theres a chance people asked to answer these surveys maybe dont feel comfortable saying they dont approve of their government?
im open to learning and have been reading links while youre just repeating “you dont think china is holy and does no wrong because RACISM” will you believe anything you read as long as it says “china good” is there anything you’d admit has been a bad thing? Maybe the famine in the past? or the concentration camps in the present?
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Have you considered communists dont view the world based on empty platitudes given by leaders and instead assess how well systems work based on actual tangible results?
In this case, china lifted 800 million people out of poverty and went from a literal dirt poort nation to the only nation capable of rivaling the united states in 50 years while simultaneously being treated as a rival enemy nation by the most powerful nations in the world during this time.
Quite typical that reactionaries like you come in with such infantile takes and think you pulled a gotcha when your entire premise for it was wrong in the first place.
In this case, china lifted 800 million people out of poverty and went from a literal dirt poort nation to the only nation capable of rivaling the united states in 50 years while simultaneously being treated as a rival enemy nation by the most powerful nations in the world during this time.
yeah and thats badass. China also prioritizes its peoples health and isn’t letting its population become disabled by an infectious disease that can be slowed\stopped if the world cared more about people than profits. I didn’t say china is evil tho im saying yall are being manipulated and simping for billionaires who dont care about its people.
and if i point out the fact that it got pulled out of poverty partly by people forced to sleep in factories with suicide nets and concentration camps of minorities (or whatever equivalent shady shit was happening back then) yall cant say “yeah its terrible they’re doing that and they shouldn’t do that” but instead yall will bring up random shit the US does and go “what about blah blah blah that the US does” like if im in here saying the US is good and call me anticommunist or reactionary or whatever other slur is cool to say in your circles.
Workers rights
- The real wage (IE the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. The US real wage by comparison is lower in 2019 than it was in 1973.
- Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
- US Life expectancy peaked in 2015, is on the decline, and is now lower than in China. 2
- Wages themselves are forced to rise in the private sector by the CPC (+16% every years, +400% since 1980) who force the capitalists to accept the presence of CPC chapters who represent the interest of the workers, increasing workers control even in the capitalist parts of the economy.
- Eliminated Urban Poverty. On track to eliminate all poverty within a decade.
- CGTN documentary - China’s war on poverty
- Trade union laws of the PRC.
- The west views China as one big sweatshop, but the actual working hours aren’t much more than anywhere else. The average for a migrant worker (most vulnerable to exploitation as they are traveling from the countryside) is 8.8 hours, little under an hour more than a typical working day. Labor strikes are rarely suppressed, and usually get the support of the PRC.
- The workplace safety standards of China are better than in the capitalist countries of the West like in Australia who have an higher rate of work related death despite having a GDP per capita 3-5 times higher.
- /u/cheezicle - My experience as a factory worker in a Chinese “sweatshop”
- 70% of Chinese millenials own their own home, and 91% as of 2021 plan to buy their own home within the next 5 years.
Your western countries are robbing the global south and enforcing terrible working conditions and wages.
China’s long-term strategies have helped it avoid the “low-wage-trap” enforced by global north monopsonies that nearly every other global south nation is suffering under.
“your western countries” how many times do i gotta say i dont support the US etc? The US is using the global south and the poor people in china and the congos for their fancy phones etc while the terrible working conditions are enforced by people you seemingly think are holy?
Read all the posts on workers rights I just linked you, for why China has been the main driver for rising wages and poverty reduction out of every other country.
how many times do i gotta say i dont support the US etc?
Then why are the only sources you linked, western supremacist ones? You don’ support the US, you just believe everything they tell you about their trade war enemy?
I am. Do you read them and not think its shady they won’t talk about the workers conditions that allowed the country to do this? Slave labor made the US so powerful and rich too.
Then why are the only sources you linked, western supremacist ones? You don’ support the US, you just believe everything they tell you about their trade war enemy?
cuz the US/UK and Russia has gutted every other country from having any kind of press from having the time\money\want to investigate things happening in other countries?
and i dont believe everything they say about China obviously theyre biased and always lead with China Bad but theirs some truth in parts of it.
they won’t talk about the workers conditions that allowed the country to do this?
Pure projection, no other country can become rich by hard work right? They all have to follow the western model of slavery and colonialism? Wrong.
How China has avoided the low-wage trap is a topic way over your head right now, but after a few years of working through your anti-chinese racism, you might be open to learning abouteit.
are you denying slave labor is being used in xinjiang and factories to make smartphones etc for the west?
just keep repeating that its racism i guess if that makes you feel superior
Billionaires arent in charge of chinas policy making dipshit, its the exact opposite. Billionaires straight up are prosecuted and more have been executed or imprisoned than any other capitalist nation combined. Thats from western sources who try to use those stats to shit on china.
If the top of the cpc wanted to actually hoard wealth, they would do exactly what russia did at the fall of USSR, privatize everything that was originally for the public and become immediate oligarchs. The cpc does the opposite.
The days of the suicide net factory shit, which btw was american companies exploiting poverty, are long gone. The cpc sides with the laborers over the companies almost everytime in protests. Factory workers in china nowadays can pay off all living expenses and still have half their paycheck left over that month for savings. The same unskilled laborers in the united states need two jobs and still wont be able to save up much if any at all.
A dirt poor nation cant instantly solve all injustices of its people. This is especially true if said nation is under direct attack financially or militarily by much more powerful nations.
Instead of sprouting whatever state media tells you about their geographical rival maybe use your braincells and develop some critical thinking.
You are the living embodiment of a reactionary, making opinions based on perceived character traits of people rather than looking at objective material reality.
Fact is, china is getting stronger and richer at an overwhelming pace to the point of being fearmongered by the united states and its wesrern allies. Fact, china invests their money into more infrustructure for their own people rather than spend it on military expenses and wars. Fact, china doesnt bail out bankers and spend tax payer money to fill the pockets of corporate doners and give them exclusive contracts to leech more money out of their pockets. Fact, china has magnitudes less inflation than western nations.
You are literally looking at all the progress china makes and then going, but china leaders still actually evil and selfish even though so many good things are done. Thats not scientific, that doesnt look at reality through material analysis.
What makes communists communist is their analysis of the world through dialetical materialism, not through some imaginary ideals of what people are thinking or what their human natures are. Nobody here are cultists that worship nations for any reason. All support for these nations are critical, as in if their actions bring positive results to the lives of the people and progress it continuously, then they should be supported.
Or just go back to believing everyones evil and dismiss material reality while you live in your decaying stagnant nations and watch as politicians bail out rich assholes yet again and side with them over the ordinary people time after time and offer only platitudes even though they have the power to change it.
inb4 the ban hammer (and sickle?) drops on me
I didn’t even say fuck china. I have love for china, the people and the culture are great. i just dont simp for billionaires because they wave my favorite flag like yall do
Luckily China isn’t run by billionaires, not sure where you heard that. Your western countries are run by billionaires tho, capitalists stand above your political system.
Is China State Capitalist?
- The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
- Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
- Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
- Didn’t China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn’t it liberalize its economy? Is China’s drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
- Is the CPC committed to communism?
- The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
- The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
- Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
- Isn’t China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn’t it fully planned like the USSR was?
- Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
- Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
- What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
- How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev’s market reforms?
- Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?
- Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
- Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
- Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
- China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
- Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
- How the State runs business in China.
- 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP.
- China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students.
- China tells the US that it has no plans to weaken the role of its State-Owned-Enterprises, one of the US’s main demands in the trade war. “Beijing plans to make the state economy stronger, bigger, and better.”
- Unlike the US, China refuses to bail out over-leveraged property developers, and lets them go bankrupt.
China is quite literally run by billionaires.
China’s parliament has about 100 Billionaires and their wealth disparity has only been growing
also why do y’all keep bringing up the US? The US is run by billionaries and is full of wage slaves with no healthcare. no one here is simping for the US or saying its doing good.
Hurun is a private UK-based finance news org that pulls most of their data out of their ass. Its accountable to no one. They think Xi Xinping is a billionaire lol. The 2nd NYT article is linking the same untrustworthy source.
It’s hilarious that you think you’re not doing the thing in the meme I just linked, yet the article you just gave me has this quote:
By comparison, the U.S. doesn’t have a single billionaire in Congress. The wealthiest member, California Republican Darrell Issa, is worth around $440 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
There are a few billionaires in the national people’s congress tho, out of 3k members. They’re there for the CPC to keep accountable, and help advise on financial dealings in a globalized world market. China is also executing billionaires at the rate of about one per year, who don’t fall in line.
Why not just admit you know nothing about China’s political system, and try to learn about it instead of ignorantly repeating everything your news tells you?
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tf is going on with lemmy
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who’s anticommunist? I’m just trying to point out that y’all are simping for people who dont care about communism or the well being of the people they govern.
its like i point out the pope is using Catholicism to control catholics while raping children and y’all think I must be an evil anti-christ for pointing that out.
isms are pretty damn corny tho, can we just enjoy and implement things and ideas without making cults out of them?
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im not but ok
you deserve gold stars for your brave post comrade
- The real wage (IE the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. The US real wage by comparison is lower in 2019 than it was in 1973.
- In contrast to low US political approval ratings, 96% of Chinese are satisfied with the national government (Edelmans 2016). World Values Surveys says that 83% think the country is run for their benefit rather than for the benefit of special groups. A Harvard research center study of long-term public opinion survey finds that > 95% of Chinese citizens approved their government. How is this possible in a one-party state? (TED talk by Eric X Li)
Late to the party, but can I just add that I find it hilarious how liberals think that the U.S. population’s mediocre or low approval rate of its own government is just more evidence that it’s a democracy? Logically, that would only be possible if the majority of the democracy’s citizens hated themselves… then again, considering the lackluster state of mental healthcare in the U.S., and the general toxicity of its hyperindividualist culture, that may be a plausible explanation after all. Oops!
Lol true. “Everyone hates this government!!! This proves that its democratic!!”
The real wage (IE the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. The US real wage by comparison is lower in 2019 than it was in 1973.
thats impressive, ill read about this.
96% of Chinese are satisfied with the national government
… do you really believe this lmao im sure theyre totally honest when asked if they approve and their in no way scared to say otherwise.
Have you ever been to China?
edit: No, almost certainly not. Chinese people are not afraid to criticize their government. Here’s some street randos interviewed by a “centrist” “apolitical” channel if their opinions mean anything to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl59t---30g
China has incredible support for the national govt. Local govts are often accused of corruption and incompetence. The CPC is cracking down on them.
do you really believe this lmao im sure theyre totally honest when asked if they approve and their in no way scared to say otherwise.
Pure, unhinged racism. If its a Chinese study, it must be untrustworthy. If its a US study that says something positive about China, it must also be untrustworthy.
Have you ever had any introspection about how incredibly racist the person staring back at you in the mirror is?
pure unhinged racism? if a study said 96% of people supporting a government (any government) its wild to take that and not understand its ridiculous
if it said 96% agree everyone should drink water you could assume its a shady poll lmao
Why is it ridiculous? Do you think it’s impossible to satisfy a population? Especially considering the fact most of them were living in poverty some years ago?
It makes it hard to believe that you’re not a westerner, only a westerner would say something like that.
People from the third world are more concerned with shaking off their more glaring problems and if it means having a government that doesn’t fit in the “democracies” category they’ll take it.
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im not white lmao its funny youd call me a cracker though since yall try your hardest to be the exact opposite of far right freaks
The far right: well known for being anti-white.
the far right is extremely anti-black so it makes sense you would call me a cracker cuz a lot of you think since the far right \ capitalists are evil you have to be 100% the opposite of whatever they are.
was that not clear in me saying
funny youd call me a cracker though since yall try your hardest to be the exact opposite of far right freaks
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Why is it “funny” that we’re the opposite of the far right lol? Are you trying to say you’re like other white-supremacists who get offended at the word “cracker”?
its only “funny” in the god this is depressing so imma laugh it off. cracker doesnt compare to its opposite term and im not white nor a white supremacist. I just say its “funny” cuz yall seem to subscribe to the idea that if people you dont like do something bad doing the opposite of the thing must make it good.
It’s “depressing” to stand against white supremacy? What are you talking about?
you think calling a random non white person a cracker is standing up against white supremacy?
im saying its depressing that some people think doing the things the bad people do towards people they see as the enemy is good
fuck you anglo
Damn I missed this
Same I log off for a few days to touch grass and miss all the juicy drama and redditoid nonsense.
Idk why this popped up in the feed either.
Wow, you just wish someone payed attention to you lmao
