Here is the english version of my now famous “Fallait demander” ; now available as a book with other stories : Orders available here or here or here ^_^ Thanks Una from unadtranslation.…
I’ve never been a fan of the rhetoric that Executive Function Theft is strictly a male/female issue.
From my experience there’s tonnes of common situations where the genders get flipped, and it’s a problem that often cuts both ways.
Honestly, from what I have seen, when it’s an issue going one way in a relationship it is also a problem going the other way, just in other areas.
Usually it’s just a sign the individuals have poor communication skills in general. Neither of them communicate well and both of them often have situations where they have a lot on their plate and the other person has to be managed.
There’s a reason these examples that argue it’s a man focused issue seem to always be covering traditionally feminine tasks, while glazing over traditionally masculine tasks.
I also have first hand seen plenty of examples where the woman is the lazy couch surfer of the family and doesn’t help with anything.
I think if the article wanted to actually appeal to an audience, it wouldn’t try and frame this is a man vs woman problem and gender it.
If someone has some actual concrete peer reviewed studies that actually show men are more prone to Executive Functikn Theft I would love to see it.
Until then, this post made some pretty bold claims and I’m not seeing any citations so, as a result it just comes across as sexist instead of informative.
Hey just wondering why you are asking for citations without providing any of your own? Because besides your own opinions and experiences you dont seem to provide any citations to back up your statements.
And just so you know, you can try to find citations for claims made in the comic on you own. Or do you want to do some Executive Function Theft and let someone else do the work?
Edit: Instead of reading that long ass response I looked for scientific stuff myself and found this in a short amount of time:
Mental Labor: A Systematic Literature Review on the Cognitive Dimension of Unpaid Work Within the Household and Childcare
Predominantly, the articles show that women perform the larger proportion of mental labor, especially when it comes to childcare and parenting decisions.
Hey just wondering why you are asking for citations without providing any of your own?
I did not make any broad claims about all individuals of a group, I explicitly made sure all my statements were clearly outlined as anecdotes and not to be taken as something to apply to all individuals of a group.
Note my use of “from what I have seen” at the start of my statement, which sets that everything following it is an anecdote and not to be mistaken for anything else.
The comic largely sticks to anecdote for most of its duration, but it pulls what I like to call “The Joe Rogan Move” halfway through, where sandwiched in the middle of two separate anecdotal statements, is a small but very abrupt statement of fact, that does not get supported by any citations or further info.
Its a mechanism a lot of unsavory individuals (like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate, who I consider to be pretty shitty for doing this, dont mistake me for liking these people, the term is not a compliment), use to sort of wedge a fact in between a bunch of agreeable/empathetic anecdotes.
You are nodding your head along to their anecdotal story, thinking “Yeah I can empathize with this” and then they shove this sudden factoid in there, then quickly shift to another agreeable anecdote, quickly skimming past that prior factoid without lingering on it. It’s quick and sudden, but it’s shady as fuck.
In the comic, the factoid that was “wedged” in was this statement:
The mental load is almost completely born by women
Note this is NOT made in any context of “from my experience” or “When you do this, that happens” or “Many women report that” or any other such anecdotal context…
It is presented as a concrete factoid, as if speaking from a point of authority.
And that would be fine if it had a citation, a factual statement like that needs to have some kind of citation. That specific line should have some kind of facts backing it up. What’s the source for that line? What do you mean “almost completely”, by how much of a margin? How do you even measure that? What? Did you get this info from some sort of study or paper on the topic? Where is this fact coming from?
Then the comic very quickly shifts back to anecdote on the very next panel, by going “So while most heterosexual men I know say that…”
See how that little tiny factoid got sort of subtly wedged right in there, and because the story on each “side” of it is agreeable, it just sort of slips past the radar?
Thats the shit that I am calling out. That is problematic and I don’t give a fuck if you are a loser like Andrew Tate trying to lure young men into mysoginistic views/lifestyles, or if you are a feminist blog trying to spread awareness about mental load…
The comic was not just a personal experience narrative. It expands to claim itself a political and feminist comic. I’d like to not go back to feminism intended as a one way only movement
I’ve never been a fan of the rhetoric that Executive Function Theft is strictly a male/female issue.
From my experience there’s tonnes of common situations where the genders get flipped, and it’s a problem that often cuts both ways.
Honestly, from what I have seen, when it’s an issue going one way in a relationship it is also a problem going the other way, just in other areas.
Usually it’s just a sign the individuals have poor communication skills in general. Neither of them communicate well and both of them often have situations where they have a lot on their plate and the other person has to be managed.
There’s a reason these examples that argue it’s a man focused issue seem to always be covering traditionally feminine tasks, while glazing over traditionally masculine tasks.
I also have first hand seen plenty of examples where the woman is the lazy couch surfer of the family and doesn’t help with anything.
I think if the article wanted to actually appeal to an audience, it wouldn’t try and frame this is a man vs woman problem and gender it.
If someone has some actual concrete peer reviewed studies that actually show men are more prone to Executive Functikn Theft I would love to see it.
Until then, this post made some pretty bold claims and I’m not seeing any citations so, as a result it just comes across as sexist instead of informative.
Hey just wondering why you are asking for citations without providing any of your own? Because besides your own opinions and experiences you dont seem to provide any citations to back up your statements.
And just so you know, you can try to find citations for claims made in the comic on you own. Or do you want to do some Executive Function Theft and let someone else do the work?
Edit: Instead of reading that long ass response I looked for scientific stuff myself and found this in a short amount of time:
I did not make any broad claims about all individuals of a group, I explicitly made sure all my statements were clearly outlined as anecdotes and not to be taken as something to apply to all individuals of a group.
Note my use of “from what I have seen” at the start of my statement, which sets that everything following it is an anecdote and not to be mistaken for anything else.
The comic largely sticks to anecdote for most of its duration, but it pulls what I like to call “The Joe Rogan Move” halfway through, where sandwiched in the middle of two separate anecdotal statements, is a small but very abrupt statement of fact, that does not get supported by any citations or further info.
Its a mechanism a lot of unsavory individuals (like Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate, who I consider to be pretty shitty for doing this, dont mistake me for liking these people, the term is not a compliment), use to sort of wedge a fact in between a bunch of agreeable/empathetic anecdotes.
You are nodding your head along to their anecdotal story, thinking “Yeah I can empathize with this” and then they shove this sudden factoid in there, then quickly shift to another agreeable anecdote, quickly skimming past that prior factoid without lingering on it. It’s quick and sudden, but it’s shady as fuck.
In the comic, the factoid that was “wedged” in was this statement:
Note this is NOT made in any context of “from my experience” or “When you do this, that happens” or “Many women report that” or any other such anecdotal context…
It is presented as a concrete factoid, as if speaking from a point of authority.
And that would be fine if it had a citation, a factual statement like that needs to have some kind of citation. That specific line should have some kind of facts backing it up. What’s the source for that line? What do you mean “almost completely”, by how much of a margin? How do you even measure that? What? Did you get this info from some sort of study or paper on the topic? Where is this fact coming from?
Then the comic very quickly shifts back to anecdote on the very next panel, by going “So while most heterosexual men I know say that…”
See how that little tiny factoid got sort of subtly wedged right in there, and because the story on each “side” of it is agreeable, it just sort of slips past the radar?
Thats the shit that I am calling out. That is problematic and I don’t give a fuck if you are a loser like Andrew Tate trying to lure young men into mysoginistic views/lifestyles, or if you are a feminist blog trying to spread awareness about mental load…
Cite. Your. Facts. Always.
How about no? Thats just your preference
Then enjoy not being taken seriously and only rallying people to your side who don’t possess the capacity to question what they are told.
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Demanding citations to support a narrative of someone’s personal experience is a particularly obnoxious form of sea lioning.
The comic was not just a personal experience narrative. It expands to claim itself a political and feminist comic. I’d like to not go back to feminism intended as a one way only movement
Don’t be a reply-bro in an explicit women space please.