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Decades of corporate media telling yuppies that wine was good for them has had lasting consequences.
I mean, it says what happened right there in the article, and no the problem wasn’t “corporate media telling yuppies” anything. In reality, people of lower socioeconomic status are more likely to develop an alcohol use disorder and to suffer serious health consequences from alcohol use, and blaming “yuppies” does a disservice to anyone who needs to hear this message.
One reason for the shift is that researchers now know that there were some procedural flaws in past research, says Dr. Manson. Past studies often compared people who drank alcohol against a mixed group of nondrinkers. Although some of the people in the nondrinking group never drank alcohol, some had stopped drinking because they were recovering from alcohol use disorders and had been heavy drinkers for years before they quit. Others had given up alcohol because of health problems, such as heart disease or diabetes, or because they were taking medications that interacted with alcohol, says Dr. Manson.
“When studies excluded former drinkers and people with underlying health problems, they didn’t show the same alcohol-related cardiovascular benefits,” says Dr. Manson.
In addition, the WHF noted that much of the past research on alcohol and heart health consisted of observational studies — not the more reliable randomized controlled trials. When randomized trials were conducted, they failed to find a heart benefit from drinking alcohol. Also, some of the most favorable effects of alcohol had been found in studies paid for by the alcohol industry, which raised the potential of bias.
None of what you said really dismisses what I said about affluent credulous people additionally buying into the wondrous health benefits of their developing wine habits.
You’re trying to take a potshot at wealthy people about a problem that pervades all of humanity, and it’s just falling flat. This is a science community, contrived potshots are better suited to your home instance
You’re doing the equivalent of that “all lives matter” overreaction toward Black Lives Matter. The widdle smol bean wine snobs will be just fine without you being weird and defensive about them.
contrived potshots are better suited to your home instance
You say as you take contrived potshots.
You seriously don’t realize you’re on a science instance. I would definitely support mander defederating from hexbear if this is what y’all have to offer
You seriously don’t realize you’re on a science instance.
You’re continuing to wander off topic to be very mad at me.
In a science instance.
Because I mentioned a consequence that did affect a group of people that were exposed to decades of “wine is good for you, actually” junk science on television news.
I would definitely support mander defederating from hexbear if this is what y’all have to offer
And you continue drifting off topic to be very mad at Hexbear. Totally scientifically and on topic.
You’re continuing to wander off topic to be very mad at me
This is not the case, but over time it’s become apparent this is what hexbear users do repeatedly: gaslight and troll because they thrive off the perception of “triggering” people. I realize this is not a serious conversation, because you’re just going to keep accusing me of doing everything you’re doing. I hope you’re able to get a good night’s sleep tonight and wake up in a better place tomorrow
I have more than one relative that have “treated” suspected heart attacks with alcohol. While their reasoning isn’t the worst since it interferes with clotting, I’d have a heart attack myself if I tried to convince them that alcohol isn’t good for your heart.
So have I.
But according to the very nonpolitical and very scientific reply I got further down in this comment chain, I’m blaming yuppies for… being yuppies and buying into junk science. Yes, I did do that. How dare I!
I honestly didn’t take the yuppies comment very seriously at first, but the statistics on alcohol consumption by income/education reinforce it so hard.
So much for the Hexbear hater’s very scientific “it’s actually about the poors and their booze, actually” euphoria.
The most bizarre thing about that exchange is that they immediately went into talking about addiction when the entire point of the article was that you don’t have to be an addict or heavy drinker to harm yourself with alcohol.
That’s why I suspected a wine snob with the wine snobby belief that they’re special and that their alcohol treat doesn’t count. I know that type offline too.
I quit drinking comrades! I have over a year without drinking consistently (I’ve only broken it 3 times for weddings since Feb of last year) i prefer not drinking now, the hangover is unbearable.
Still love were and psychedelics
I also work out consistently now, I’m very proud I stopped drinking because it’s made me a better Marxist.
I quit at 25 drinking all alcohol because the people I was around sucked and decided to do what their parents did and now many years later they look terrible like them too.
I would hate to be 40 and fucked up like so many do. The weed smokers faired so much better. They don’t even have gray hair into their 40’s like the drinkers do thats the biggest thing I noticed.
No thanks
Skipping the jabs :)
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The irony in this statement, talking about a known depressant lol
Drinking for me is increasingly borrowing happiness from tomorrow, and the older I get, the higher the interest rate climbs.
I’ll still enjoy a drink, but have definitely become more choosy about when and whether it’s worth it.
In the context of alcohol, depressant doesn’t mean it makes you sad. It’s a depressant as it decreases heart heart, respiration, response times, etc.
The opposite being a stimulant which increases those functions.
Nothing to do with mental health.
Well that’s true the word in that context is referring to more a drug’s effect on level of arousal than mood, just for anyone that’s confused alcohol does contribute to depression and other mood changes. The relationship of alcohol and mood disorders is more complicated than its effect on those simpler functions, but depressed mood is certainly one possible thing it can do.
https://www.psychdb.com/mood/substance-medication
https://www.academia.edu/download/45317269/Alcohol_and_depression20160503-23243-jt8nme.pdf
Nothing to do with mental health.
This is absolutely not true. Alcohol has significant effects on neurotransmitter activity and your limbic system. Even one-time intoxication can cause emotional dysregulation that may lead vulnerable people to attempt suicide or self-injure where they would not if sober. Chronic heavy use can absolutely lead to depressive episodes due to long-term changes to neurotransmitter activity in your brain, not to mention the depression caused by the psychosocial toll of heavy alcohol use
Not judging alcohol use here, I drink pretty regularly, but also let’s not kid ourselves about the real risks
I’m not discounting it’s impact on mental health.
I’m only saying that when it’s described as a depressant that it is the effect on the sympathetic nervous system that is being described. That’s the use of the term when applied to drugs and medications.
Your sympathetic nervous system has profound impacts on your mood
You’re misusing the word “depressant” here. It doesn’t mean “makes you depressed”.
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Ah yes. Drinking: the only source of fun.
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Found the Irish.
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I’m glad you understand!
You ever notice that the “here for a good time, not a long time” people usually don’t get either of those things? I’m not teetotaler but there’s a gap between “not averse to having a drink” and “drinking is integral to who I am”.
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Hey boss, if drinks are the only way you can have fun, you’re already sad. Old part comes next.
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