Look. There was a lot of leftists out here giving the GoP too much shine and too much rub with their claiming of the Donbass war money funneling is wrong.

If the red wave happened; they would NOT have ended the funneling of weapons and cash to the ukraine.

They would have blamed the dems for starting shit and causing a moral trap and NOW we cant pull out because we have to RELUCTANTLY fight the Russians instead of being enthusiastic about it.

And Im frankly done playing along with the anti imperialist left giving the GoP way too much credit simply because the republicans are morally lucky and currently morally advantaged.

These MAGA politicians are not some right wing populist thing that we should BELIEVE them about their whole anti war posturing. Stop. They’re full of shit and just as fake as the squad and Bernie.

  • GloriousDoubleK@lemmygrad.mlOP
    11·
    2 years ago

    Yeah. Look. If you want to get to the truth of the matter; the GOP is just as open to making money as the dems. Between doing the right thing and coming up with a plausible excuse to continue doing this… I mean come on.

    The GOP is NEVER shown any of us a moment where they cared for human life. And neither has the dems.

    And I know what leftists would say. " Oh I know they are lying, but im reaching across the table by giving the GOP credit to build a common gound with the GOP base."

    Okay. Step back and think about that. What is the most likely thing to happen? Would the GOP base join you in antiwar OR take this opportunity to siphon off anti war leftists to give votes to the GOP? Cmon. Even their most commin base is gonna use the anti war left as a chance to get votes for the GOP from the left and gain an electoral victory for the GOP. They’re not going to join you in the streets if they had a choice.

    We aren’t going to trick right wing lumpen reactionaries by playing footsies. They’re just as motivated to their historical project and vision as any ML. They arent dumb.

    • SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml
      9·
      2 years ago

      Great points. To be clear on my end I never supported any of that patsoc garbage, but you have certainly made me reconsider why (as in, I hate patsoc shit with more clarity after reading this)

      You’re so right about the ideological passion self-identified right wingers have. It’s easy to say that they’re just brainwashed, but the difference between them and your common ‘apolitical’ but sympathetic lib that we can actually educate is that they watch the news, they read articles (Fox articles, usually), they follow fascists on twitter and Facebook. They consider themselves “political”, politically engaged. Their ideology is obviously shaped for them by a reactionary superstructure and that’s the true culprit, but they absolutely have ideological drive and a zealous obedience to their leaders. It’s not worth wasting your time trying to convince majority petit-bourgeois, brainwormed fuckers who make up a fraction of the population, when there are millions of non-voting, “apolitical” proletarians so incredibly close to becoming radicalized.

      • GloriousDoubleK@lemmygrad.mlOP
        8·
        2 years ago

        Yeah. PatSocs very SERIOUSLY underestimate how much the whole culture war matters to reactionaries. They already take neoliberal capitalism as a forgone conclusion. No sense in dwelling on capital because to them, the matter is settled. So now… All they have as an answer to the contradictions of capital is to deploy the state to hurt the “weak and undesireables”.

        So if anyone wants to pretend culture war stuff is illusionary and bullshit and the reactionaries know it; then how does anyone explain why these people go out of their way to modify their vehicles to roll coal? Is that supposed to be light hearted ribbing against people who are unreasonably concerned about that kind of thing?