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A Detroit synagogue president was found fatally stabbed outside her home Saturday morning.
Samantha Woll, 40, led the congregation of Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue. The synagogue confirmed Woll’s death Saturday in a statement writing, “We are shocked and saddened to learn of the unexpected death of Samantha Woll, our Board President.”
“May her memory be a blessing,” the statement continued.
Authorities said a 911 call was made to Woll’s home early Saturday, reporting an individual lying on the ground unresponsive. Police discovered multiple stab wounds on Woll’s body and found a trail of blood leading to her house, where they believe the crime occurred.
An investigation is underway. At this time, the motive for the crime remains unknown.
Gaza or the West Bank? If both, then no and yes. Israel dismantled settlements in Gaza in 2005. Unfortunately, settlements continued in the West Bank, aggravating efforts to conclude the hand off of two of the three districts there.
Hamas is from the Gaza Strip, not the West Bank though. Gaza relations have been weird, but stabilizing with daily work travel through the border. Arguably, Hamas attacked now for fear that relations would continue to improve with Gaza, setting back their mission.
Both. Israel has illegally colonized Palestinian land in Gaza and the West Bank for 60 years now.
What Gazan land does Israel occupy?
Recently?
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/gaza-strip-israel-hamas-war-demographics
Israel’s been wholly occupying Gaza since 2007.
As of the most recent flare up, the blockade has increased to include water, fuel and food, so the occupation is becoming more severe.
A blockade is not an occupation, unless you’re suggesting that the British were actually occupying all of Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1916.
Note that I’m not saying that a blockade is not harsh or oppressive, only that it is not in fact the same thing as an occupation.
Israeli soldiers, since 1967 , have been occupying Palestinian Gaza.
The UN also agrees that Israel is occupying Palestinian land in Gaza.
Forcibly invading a land and residing on its soil may not be interpreted as an occupation by certain people in certain circumstances, but I can’t interpret the forceable invasion and residing on Palestinian soil, and imposition of Israeli laws on Palestinian citizens as anything other than colonization, or illegal occupation.
Mate, do you know where Gaza is?
Israel is occupying the West Bank, absolutely. The IDF is literally everywhere, conducts military operations all the time, and huge chunks of the land are under direct Israeli administration.
None of those things is the case for the Gaza Strip. That border was established in 1949 following negotiations between Israel and Egypt, and afterwards it was functionally a part of Egypt. It was then captured and truly occupied by Israel after the 1967 Six Days War. This lasted until 2005, when the IDF fully withdrew from the Gaza Stop (the boundary of which, I’ll say again, was established in 1949) and forcibly evicted all Jewish settlers. A military blockade was instituted after Hamas won elections in 2006 and started lobbing rockets at Israel, since Hamas’ explicit goal is the violent elimination of all Jews from the entire region.
You can say that the blockade is unjust, collective punishment, destroys any hope for prosperity, and anything else. I’d even agree with you on a lot of that. But you cannot say that it is an occupation, because that is a word that describes a specific situation that simply is not happening in Gaza.
Yes, I know where Gaza is.
According to the UN joint resolution 242, Israel began occupying Gaza in 1967, a military occupation by Israel of Gaza and other Palestinian territories referred to as the “occupied Arab territories”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories#:~:text=Between 1967 and 1993%2C the,the Egypt–Israel peace treaty.
Hope that clears it up for you.
There’s a big map if you want to find out where israel-occupied Gaza is(little green bit, bottom left).
Israel stopped occupying Gaza in 2005.
From the Wikipedia page you posted:
I can appreciate that position, but let’s dig into the nuance a little bit.
After 2005 Israel had a temporary blockade which ended in 2006. After 2007 and the election of Hamas, a new blockade enforced by Israel and Egypt was implemented to isolate Hamas. Excerpt from Wikipedia:
Israel blockaded the Gaza Strip temporarily in 2005–2006. In 2007, after Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip, both Israel and Egypt have imposed an indefinite blockade of Gaza that is ongoing to present day, on the grounds that Fatah and Palestinian Authority forces had fled the Strip and were no longer able to provide security on the Palestinian side..
I fully recognize that traditionally a blockade can constitute an act of war, and exerts control over a region or country, so I understand why the UN considered a blockade am ipso facto occupation.
At the same time, where is the outrage against Egypt, and what less invasive measure do you propose Israel and Egypt take to ensure regional security when you have a neighbor whose stated purpose is the violation of UN recognized borders?
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There were literally no Israeli soldiers in Gaza prior to these attacks and there have not been for some time - longer than the majority of gazans right now have been alive.
You were straight up incorrect here, the israeli military has been in Gaza for about 60 years.
You can follow the links or literally is any search engine yourself and then read the words that appear as a result of your search to learn more about the historical occupation and raids on Gaza by Israel.
Politically “into” and “physically within” are different things
Israel had 0 troops in gaza.
It’s impossible to claim that land as Palestinian when Palestine has never been a country and that land has never exclusively belonged to what are now called Palestinians
Yes, according to the people committing genocide and bombing schools and hospitals, Palestine is not a country and Palestinians are not human.
You’re in like company.
Palestine has literally never been a country, in all of human history.
Also Israel offered Palestinians their own country multiple times and Palestinian leadership turned it down. The situation is far more complex than you’re pretending.
The primary occupying nation and all people supporting the genocide of Palestine totally agree with you, so. Good. For you guys. To share that opinion.
This is childish and stupid man.
If you’re talking about 75 years of Israel occupying Palestine, whittling away their borders, executing civilians, bombing their schools and hospitals and commiting genocide, then no, it isn’t childish or stupid, it’s the latest chapter in a colonial genocide.
Lol yeah that sentiment is what I’m describing
So Palestinians think they themselves are not human?
Nope, israelis believe the Palestinians are animals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPdR3E4hCk
That is the israeli defense minister making the decision to block water, food or fuel going to Palestinian civilians, basing his decision on his claim that Palestinians are animals.
I honestly don’t blame them when they’ve been surrounded by countries and a religion that has literally been trying to genocide them from the holy lands for the past 50 years.
When violently backed in a corner people will act like animals. This applies to both sides.
It’s closer to 75 years total, and yeah, it’s pretty difficult to blame the completely overwhelmed underdog for reacting viciously to their land being occupied, civilians being arbitrarily executed and schools and hospitals getting bombed for generations.