I had a discussion with somebody on this site and they claimed that leftists should never create satire because Starship Troopers was satire and fascists mis-interpreted it.
That’s literally what the lanyard dork media class said when they gave Starship Troopers negative reviews on its release, before it became a cult classic. That it was praising fascist ideology despite it being clearly satirical.
Media literacy, and literacy in general, is going down the toilet. TV was a mistake. The internet was a mistake. Smartphones were a mistake.
That is the opposite. Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense. The stuff people don’t like is like objectifing women by default in every action movie. There is a time and a place for sexy fun and it is simply not every single time.
You just said in another comment that “we have 2 choices, too much sex or none so we should ban it”
Lmao gtfo here trying to act all buddy buddy with verhoeven and cool and hip. You are a puritanical censor and enemy of art. You are the parents from footloose but with a leftoid anti-life flavor instead of a rightoid one
I belive I said too much bad sex.If they did the sex well it’d be diffrent. Instead it is that four quadrant bullahit that Hollywood has to shoehorn into every movie. There have been action movies where our had hero had rad sex and it was cool. We just don’t make those anymore. It isn’t the sex. It is that it is forced and exploitative that people don’t like. Like for 90% of us against if instead of the given sex scene is was an actress age appropriate for our here being pleasured that would go a long way to fixing things
You are the arbiter of good and bad sex, you will be the one to decree which movies are allowed and which are forbidden. Your tastes are supreme and should override the artists. You can advocate for more tasteful and better sex in movies, but you cannot just call for blanket bans. But people in here aren’t complaining about the sex being exploitative for the most part, they are complaining about it existing and say no film in history has had a good sex scene. That’s their personal hang ups with sex and nothing to do with what standards should be
I want less tasteful sex. I am the opposite. Good sex tends towards messy and weird. The overly clean polished stuff is sex cleaned up for mass market appeal. The artists are all traumatized and on drugs. I know they are into weird shit like me. The studio for reasons of capitlaism is overriding their artistic vision and that is what I don’t like.
and prudes who say all sex scenes are bad, artistic censorship of sexual content is a touchy subject for a real historical reason. the opposite force doesn’t really exist beyond individual desires. there’s no concerned catholic mother associations to add sex to movies.
Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense.
What? Showgirls is a movie that makes gratuitous nudity tedious and uninteresting, and I thought that was the point, that the whole plot arc is that the commodification and exploitation of women’s bodies is gross and bad with the main character’s growth over the story being that she realizes that even the most “glamorous” form of that sucks and is bad and that literally being a violent lumpen drifter is a better thing than taking part in it?
We need to return to Paul Verhoeven where the movie is an excuse to show 10 sex scenes but also antifascist
Paul Verhoeven movies are exactly the kind of art the scolds in this thread hate. They would never allow Showgirls to be made if they were in charge
I had a discussion with somebody on this site and they claimed that leftists should never create satire because Starship Troopers was satire and fascists mis-interpreted it.
That’s literally what the lanyard dork media class said when they gave Starship Troopers negative reviews on its release, before it became a cult classic. That it was praising fascist ideology despite it being clearly satirical.
Media literacy, and literacy in general, is going down the toilet. TV was a mistake. The internet was a mistake. Smartphones were a mistake.
“Springtimes are a good thing, and you want Hitler to have one???”
That is the opposite. Showgirls is the perfect example. Fun sexy stuff happens in thst movie and it makes sense. The stuff people don’t like is like objectifing women by default in every action movie. There is a time and a place for sexy fun and it is simply not every single time.
You just said in another comment that “we have 2 choices, too much sex or none so we should ban it”
Lmao gtfo here trying to act all buddy buddy with verhoeven and cool and hip. You are a puritanical censor and enemy of art. You are the parents from footloose but with a leftoid anti-life flavor instead of a rightoid one
I belive I said too much bad sex.If they did the sex well it’d be diffrent. Instead it is that four quadrant bullahit that Hollywood has to shoehorn into every movie. There have been action movies where our had hero had rad sex and it was cool. We just don’t make those anymore. It isn’t the sex. It is that it is forced and exploitative that people don’t like. Like for 90% of us against if instead of the given sex scene is was an actress age appropriate for our here being pleasured that would go a long way to fixing things
You are the arbiter of good and bad sex, you will be the one to decree which movies are allowed and which are forbidden. Your tastes are supreme and should override the artists. You can advocate for more tasteful and better sex in movies, but you cannot just call for blanket bans. But people in here aren’t complaining about the sex being exploitative for the most part, they are complaining about it existing and say no film in history has had a good sex scene. That’s their personal hang ups with sex and nothing to do with what standards should be
You are a puritan megalomaniac in disguise.
I want less tasteful sex. I am the opposite. Good sex tends towards messy and weird. The overly clean polished stuff is sex cleaned up for mass market appeal. The artists are all traumatized and on drugs. I know they are into weird shit like me. The studio for reasons of capitlaism is overriding their artistic vision and that is what I don’t like.
“capitalism is overriding their artistic vision”
and prudes who say all sex scenes are bad, artistic censorship of sexual content is a touchy subject for a real historical reason. the opposite force doesn’t really exist beyond individual desires. there’s no concerned catholic mother associations to add sex to movies.
You do understand that is specifically not my objection yeah?
What? Showgirls is a movie that makes gratuitous nudity tedious and uninteresting, and I thought that was the point, that the whole plot arc is that the commodification and exploitation of women’s bodies is gross and bad with the main character’s growth over the story being that she realizes that even the most “glamorous” form of that sucks and is bad and that literally being a violent lumpen drifter is a better thing than taking part in it?
Yes, that is the point. It does artistically intresting things.