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loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml to GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml ·
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Nothing to see here. Just Western imperialists throwing a fascist party subservient to them under the bus.

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Nothing to see here. Just Western imperialists throwing a fascist party subservient to them under the bus.

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loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml to GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml ·
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    Great answer thank you!

    It just seems like what defines China at this point is far better described as authoritarianism than a label like communism or capitalism. Same goes with the US. I mean… at what point does it matter how power is legitimized in a system of governance if in practice the results are the elite owning and deciding everything?

    If I am way off the mark, please feel free to educate me with some links to stuff I can read, I am not trying to force a point I am trying to work through these ideas myself!

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      I’d argue that authoritarianism is an orthogonal concept to communism. Authoritarianism relates to the amount of individual freedom that citizens enjoy, while communism deals largely with the way the economy is run. China’s economy is clearly serving public interest a lot better than US economy, and the public has far more influence over the direction of the country.

      The claim that the elite owns and decides everything clearly doesn’t bear out when we look at China. If that was the case we’d expect to see a situation that’s closer to US or India where poverty runs rampant, there is no investment in public infrastructure, and no social services. None of these things benefit the elites in the slightest.

      There are also some good resources on how the government works in China:

      • Is China a democracy?
      • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
      • How does China’s political system work?
      • How are Chinese leaders elected / chosen? How meristocratic is the system? How do elections differ from those in western bourgeois democracies?
      • Who runs China? Makeup of the national people’s congress.

      Polls in China also indicate strong popular support for the government and policy it enacts:

      • US policy-makers are misjudging popular support China’s Government.
      • China more democratic than US
      • In contrast to low US political approval ratings, 96% of Chinese are satisfied with the national government (Edelmans 2016). World Values Surveys says that 83% think the country is run for their benefit rather than for the benefit of special groups. A Harvard research center study of long-term public opinion survey finds that > 95% of Chinese citizens approved their government. How is this possible in a one-party state? (TED talk by Eric X Li)

      There is also an argument to be made that authoritarian style government is the only type that can stand up to western capitalist aggression. We’ve seen time and again more liberal socialist governments being destroyed in places like Chile and Brazil. Michael Parenti refers to this phenomenon as siege socialism here.

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