Isn’t it interesting how libs and cons are both fine with the romantic idea of revolution until someone actually seriously suggests doing something drastic? Y’know, in minecraft?

  • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
    32·
    2 years ago

    The real kicker is that if an even nominally left-wing movement used violence they would be gutted to the average person in the media…and their own “leftists” would quickly prostrate and show their belly to distance themselves and prove their loyalty to bourgeois civility.

    I fear the fascists or the Empire will have to begin an all out war before we are “allowed” to act in self defense, and even then the demonization will continue and affect many more than it should.

    And the worst thing is? They have learned from the mistakes, and they now know to levy violence against us at a slow but steady rate. A shooting here, an execution there, a disappearance or domestic sanction or blacklisting here or there. A comfortable, expected amount of police violence. Always making sure to never go to the absurdly extreme lengths it would take to actually shake the sleepy Americans.

    • DankZedong @lemmygrad.ml
      26·
      2 years ago

      Even shows like The Handmaid’s Tale, which takes places in a literal fascist version of the US, has these tropes of ‘violence isn’t always the answer, remember when the fascist did some nice thing this one time?’. They make us feel bad for the fascists when they have a piece of their own cake. No, if you are a fascist that helped to bring about fascism, I don’t care if you were nice to me this one time. You’ll be killed.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
      211·
      2 years ago

      Even funnier is that when you look at any war themed american fiction literature coming from conservatives and most liberals, the prevalent idea there is the idea of “preepmtive self defence”

      • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
        14·
        2 years ago

        Great article, thanks for sharing!

        My go-to when dealing with the pacifist minded is to bring up the whole “What if an axe murderer broke into your house and was about to kill your whole family?”, or “What if you saw Hitler walking down the street?”

        I hope that these questions would at least flustered them and expose them to the idea that, oh wait, not all violence is created equal and sometimes violence IS the right answer, even if only to show them that it’s not black and white and there must be SOME exception. Sometimes this has worked a little, but more than once I had people essentially telling me they would leave Hitler alone and let the murderer kill them and everyone they loved. Which I hope is just a lie and them stupidly and stubbornly defending their original position to the death, I HOPE that that is not actually true because if so frankly that is disgusting to me.

        To me, violence is a part of the undeveloped world, animals kill animals, we kill animals, everything is built off of violence. Perhaps as human society develops into and past socialism something like pacifism will have its place, but while it’s still a dog-eat-dog world and we are playing a dog-eat-dog game with our oppressors for power, this shit is going to stay Game of Thrones, and people are letting themselves be enchanted by the spells of their enemies’ words if they are convinced otherwise.

        • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
          12·
          2 years ago

          I have similar conversations with my partner from time to time. She is, for lack of a better term, a principled pacifist. I think I really scared her when I said I would indeed try use deadly force to protect my family given the need.

          • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
            12·
            2 years ago

            Absolutely. Signaling that you would commit violence–not gleefully, not excessively, not as a first solution to every problem, but only grimly and pragmatically and with heavy heart–makes a lot of Western suburbanites (and adjacent types) very uncomfortable. It makes them look at you different, like some sort of monster or at best someone who is lying or misled.