We all know that in the 1840s the United States illegally annexed much of the American South West from Mexico in a war that was rooted in the interests of protecting slavery in Texas. The Chicanos were the Mexicans who had ended up on the United States side of the border after the conflict, they were and still are treated as second class citizens just like the Palestinians despite being there before the whites. While it’s not purely an indigenous struggle it’s in the interests of the indigenous peoples of America, the Chicanos, and the Mexicans to get the land back that was stolen from them by the United States.
The only problem is this movement is deader than Margaret Thatcher. The chicano political movements petered out along with the black power movements of the seventies. People gave into liberalism. Like Mexicans are okay with working for shit pay in a land that used to belong to them because anyone who speaks out runs the risk of getting deported or having their treats taken away from them. How do we put life back into this movement? We HAVE to tie it to the Palestinian one.
We need young people living from California to Texas to know that the land they live on is stolen, and sure all of the United States is stolen but if we can provide power to just one movement out of all them, this one would be the most important and consequential. The Puerto Rican movement is just one island, the indigenous movements are too fractured, the Black Power movement has had no success with its nationalist movements, but Mexico, if we could get the Mexican president on stage and say “United States, give us back the land you stole, or else” that would be completely justified in the same way Palestinians are justified in fighting their occupiers, because the United States citizens, are occupiers, and Mexico has a right to use the methods of resistance that Palestinians are using right now.
Not really, the mexican population in the north was sparse, the lands really belong to the indigenous peoples like the pueblo, navajo and comanche to name a few, who were oppressed by new spain and then their sucessor México.
Every country but one in the americas is a settler state in origin, just because México was less bad than the US doesnt give them much claim to that land. Palestinian struggle is similar to the one of the Indigenous people of the americas
I say this as a Mexican by the way
Every country but one in the americas is a settler state in origin
Which one is this? I feel like I probably know already but it is eluding my mind right now
Haiti
Just because Mexico is a colonial state doesn’t disqualify the grievances they have against the US. The struggle indigenous people have against Mexico and the United States is an entirely separate issue and the issue here is that there is a very legitimate land claim that Mexico has against the US that the left has not explored well enough. We can’t abandon it as an option, like even if the nationalistic element is not really there, such an action would do good at destroying the US empire which is kind of the end goal of what we all believe here.
Neither the United States of America nor United Mexican States are legitimate states. From the perspective of the Indigenous, Americans vs Mexicans is just Anglos vs Boers. A hypothetical conflict is only advantageous insomuch as it’s settler-on-settler violence. And there’s plenty of times in history when the US and Mexico teamed up to crush Indigenous resistance like how they did to the Comanche, so when push comes to shove, there will be settler solidarity against the Indigenous.
And Mexico isn’t that much better for the Indigenous than the US. So many Mexican pretendians larping as Aztecs offer its own challenges. At least US settlers largely stick to being Anglos while there’s an entire movement within Mexico to erode Indigenous identity through mass pretendianism.
The Chicano nation is not separatism and secession to Mexico nor is it a claim to indigeneity or a racial basis. It’s strictly on the basis of a historically constitued nation (culture, language, shared economy), shared territory). Look into FRSO their analysis on this is really good.
Also saying the Black Power movement has had no success with it’s nationalist movements is a pretty out there take.
we could get the Mexican president on stage and say “United States, give us back the land you stole, or else” that would be completely justified in the same way Palestinians are justified in fighting their occupiers, because the United States citizens, are occupiers.
The Comanche might have some opinions here
The United States has been worse for indigenous people. I don’t want to alienate indigenous people by saying Mexico ruling over them would be better, but I don’t see an easy answer for how we can get solidarity between the indigenous communities and Mexican government. Like if we could get that it would be amazing but I legitimately have no idea how we could heal the wounds between them. We probably can’t. But like, a stronger Mexico to fend off the US seems like a necessity.
The left is missing a golden opportunity by not shidding and farding at the same time
the 1840s the United States illegally annexed much of the American South West from Mexico
Annexation through conquest was not illegal under international law at the time.
Rick from decolonized buffalo (indigenous marxist) just did a live stream on the chicano movement with black red guard, let’s just say he doesnt think too highly of it lol
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
You know there is a motion within the Republicans to actually go to war with Mexico. I think The Next 100 years slated it to be in the 2070’s. It’s wild seeing how all this shit that was planned is being manufactured in real time.
It might be past my time by then, but some of you younger ones might see this and especially the Mexicans need to be weary of US coup attempts. Any major action taken by the US against Mexico will backfire politically in key states. Once the boomers die off the democraphics will be far less white.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_100_Years:_A_Forecast_for_the_21st_Century
According to the book, North America will remain the center of gravity for the global economic and political system for at least a few more centuries following the 21st century. However, this does not guarantee that the United States will always dominate North America. In the decades following the war, starting in the 2070s, tensions between Mexico and the United States will rise. By this time, after decades of massive immigration, many parts of the United States, especially the South West, will become predominantly ethnically, culturally, and socially Mexican.
During this period, many ethnic Mexicans living in the Southwestern United States, especially those living in the Mexican Cession, will increasingly shun assimilation into US culture, due to the fact that they will live in a predominantly Mexican region, as well as the close proximity of Mexico. These demographic changes will be irreversible. Most Mexicans in the US Southwest will identify as Mexicans rather than Americans, and their national loyalty will be to Mexico and not the United States. During this period, Mexico will experience substantial economic and population growth. By the end of the 21st century, Mexico’s military and economic power will have grown tremendously, and it will be in a position to challenge the United States for dominance of North America. In addition to an insurgency by Mexican separatists, political, cultural, and military tensions between the United States and Mexico will rise, and generate into a full-blown confrontation.
An extended crisis between the United States and Mexico will ensue, one that the United States will be unable to resolve through the use of military force. Most of the world, wary of US dominance, will secretly hope for a Mexican victory, especially Poland and Brazil, but no other nation will directly interfere. Friedman’s final prediction is that the conflict will continue into the 22nd century.
That book is just standard Anglo geopolitical fan-fiction.
Yeah I sort of lost it when it said that Russia and China would collapse in the early 2020’s and Japan would be the regional power of Asia. It completely glosses over India’s rise and says Poland will play a much bigger role in 2015 with the “Polish Bloc” that doesn’t even exist. I also don’t see Turkey regaining the power it had during the Ottoman Empire with Israel resisting them.
