Both the president and his reelection campaign are going after his coup-attempting predecessor even before the first GOP primary ballots are cast.

A full year out from the 2024 presidential election and nearly two months before Republicans cast their first primary ballots, President Joe Biden and his campaign are assuming that Donald Trump will be his opponent and have already started reminding voters why they threw him out of office in the first place.

Biden personally has stepped up criticism of his coup-attempting predecessor and is framing the likely rematch as one that will determine the survival of American democracy.

“The same man who said we should terminate the rules and regulations and articles of the Constitution — these are things he said — is now running on a plan to end democracy as we know it,” he said last week at a fundraiser in Chicago.

“This next election is different. It’s more important. There’s more at stake. And we all know why: Because our very democracy is at stake,” he told a San Francisco audience on Wednesday.

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    “We already had a near impact with fascism once and were fine so let’s just do it again in the hopes it wakes up the liberals into voting for a socialist”

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        This often gets ignored or explained away as an observation and not an imperative. It doesn’t change though that they made a fundamental miscalculation that Democracy would persist after Hitler.

        Weimar Germany isn’t a lesson about how liberals or communists are the actual fascists – it’s a lesson in what happens when liberals and communists are too engrossed in fighting each other. They used the fascists as a chess piece against the others, instead of uniting against a common enemy. Liberals put Nazis in positions of power to further their goals, and Communists overlooked the danger posed by the Nazis to instead find a way they could benefit.

        Thankfully it does seem like most people understand this after 2016. The only holdouts are the couple of people who are very loud online. There’s a reason Democrats held steadfast in the Speaker votes. We understand our divisions pale in comparison to our common enemy.

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      “liberals voting against fascists are the real fascists btw. People who are fine with fascists winning are the real anti fascists”

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      We’re not fine. Any metrics i care about have been goin downhill since 2016. They didnt change course in 2020, and would probably worsen in 2024 if trump wins. Or in 2028 if he wins, or 2032, 2036. Might be a 2040 old centrist Hillary vs Trump Jr. I dont see anything good long term with the current voting system.

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        Okay, then, you realize that Trump winning is just further backsliding into authoritarianism, but not that there’s no feasible left of Trump candidate for 24 other than Biden?

        I don’t disagree that Biden is about the worst candidate short of Manchin the Dems could throw out there. However, the solution is getting someone better than that as the nomination In 28 or god willing in 24 not throwing the election to Trump.

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          Moreover, not backing the incumbent would be THE STUPIDEST thing, especially with Trump’s tactics. “Look how weak the Democrats are, they won’t even back their own guy!” It’d be playing directly into the GOP’s hand.

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            They’re trying to get people to vote third party, I don’t think political efficacy is their number one priority, unfortunately.

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          We’re still backsliding under Biden. Who was a worse option than Hillary, who was a worse option than Obama. I can only expect worse in 2028 from dems. Theres a breaking point of supporting democrats and Biden is well past that.

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            In all measurable ways, Biden is more progressive than Obama, and Obama was more progressive than Bill. It’s preposterous to say the democrats are backsliding.

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              Obama didnt spearhead efforts to outlaw a union strike. Obama’s climate bill wasnt poisoned with millions of acres of new oil drilling permits. Biden hasnt made any progress on Obamacare. Workers rights are shit, climate is shit, healthcare is shit, abortion is illegal again. As for Bill to Obama, Bill raised minimum wage, the last time it’s gone up under a democratic president, and he raised taxes on the wealthy more than Obama, who raised taxes more than Biden, who has not done anything with the wealthy’s tax rate.

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                Obama didn’t spearhead efforts to outlaw a union strike

                He would’ve if he had a situation like the rail strike happen under his watch.

                Obama’s climate bill wasn’t poisoned with millions of acres of new oil drilling permits.

                This article shows how Obama was just better with the optics of it, oil production still rose

                Biden hasnt made any progress on Obamacare

                Not for lack of trying. He’s not the one in Congress shooting it down any time healthcare reform bills show up.

                As for Bill to Obama, Bill raised minimum wage, the last time it’s gone up under a democratic president, and he raised taxes on the wealthy more than Obama

                Obama raised the minimum wage to 7.25$. This is also totally discounting the fact Bill embraced neoliberalism and hollowed out the New Deal welfare state even further with his “workfare” reforms.

                Biden, who has not done anything with the wealthy’s tax rate.

                Again, not for lack of trying. Build Back Better would’ve included taxes on the rich not as much as I would like for sure, but more than Obama or Bill.

                Biden also supports the PRO Act, the most pro-union piece of legislation in almost a century if it passes. so while the rail strike was disappointing, it’s disingenuous to say he is against worker rights.

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                  Im not saying millions of acres of new oil drilling as simply private production rising under Biden, I mean his hailed climate bill legislatively demands millions of new acres of oil drilling, going as far as barring federal land being used for renewable energy until more land is first leased for oil. Bernie brought it up but I think it mostly flew under the radar for people.

                  The 7.25 min wage increase was actually a Bush legislation, just taking effect under Obama’s term.

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                    And in spite of that drilling, analysis shows that the bill will result in 2030 having 35-45ish% less emissions than in 2005 (which seems to be the benchmark).

                    I can assure you this has infinitely more impact and is more climate friendly than anything the Green Party has ever done. And it exists because of the drilling provisions that placated Manchin types into voting for it.

                    Ideological purity fails the ideology. Democrats have accomplished a more environmentally friendly policy with a bill that has drilling for oil than any “pure” bills from Greens which never came to fruition.