I don’t know a single person who’s “blindly loyal” to Biden. Most people I know think he’s overall pretty reasonable and certainly disagree with him on some things. I also know quite a few Trump voters, as I do live in Texas, and those people are beyond rationality at this point. Trying to have a conversation about an issue is utterly useless, because all they know how to do is restate whatever line they’ve been fed by whatever conservative media they watch.
I think it’s more that people are terrified of Biden being criticized harshly while Trump gets a similar treatment. If news and pundits treat the two the same, it equates them. Which is NOT REALITY. But if outlets treat them as the same, there’s a real good chance we get Trump. And there’s a not insignificant chance if that happens we won’t have another fair election again.
Biden has a lot of problems but they are absolutely nothing compared to Trump on all the same counts and vastly more.
Yeah I’m worried equating the too will lead to voter apathy. And voter apathy leads to Trump winning (like it did the first time). If we have to have a grandpa in charge, focus on the competency of their advisers.
On is doing a lot to help the country. The other is planning an active takeover and purge of “half the ones who don’t agree with our dictatorship”.
Yeah I’m worried equating the too will lead to voter apathy.
As someone who phone banks, canvasses and gets involved in primaries my anecdotal experience is that is not what’s driving voter apathy. What drives voter apathy is the fact that the DNC primaries keep producing these garbage candidates. When is the right time to have a conversation about the people who vote for them in the primaries? In my mind it shouldn’t be controversial at this point to say that voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries was selfish and stupid. So when does that conversation happen?
You’re sure winning hearts and minds over here by treating the majority of Democratic primary voters with utter contempt. There’s a reason Sanders ended his campaign early in 2020 and didn’t ride it to the end like in 2016, and there’s a reason he threw his weight behind Biden in 2020 where he did not support Clinton in 2016. Sanders trusts Biden and the people he surrounds himself with, and I do too, even if I disagree with his admin on some issues.
Does that mean you believe it’s inappropriate when someone treats me with contempt when I say I’m voting 3rd party and not for Joe Biden in the 2024 general election?
There’s degrees of loyalty. I agree with you that lots of people are willing to say Biden shouldn’t be leading the country and then start talking about how he’s better than Trump. Fine.
But the missing part of that conversation is this: If Biden shouldn’t be leading the country what do we say about the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries? Was that a selfish and foolish decision?
I don’t know a single person who’s “blindly loyal” to Biden. Most people I know think he’s overall pretty reasonable and certainly disagree with him on some things. I also know quite a few Trump voters, as I do live in Texas, and those people are beyond rationality at this point. Trying to have a conversation about an issue is utterly useless, because all they know how to do is restate whatever line they’ve been fed by whatever conservative media they watch.
My point is this tweet is absolutely bullshit
It’s not so much the blind loyalty as much as it is the “shh, don’t talk bad about what we all know.” Different, but feels the same.
I think it’s more that people are terrified of Biden being criticized harshly while Trump gets a similar treatment. If news and pundits treat the two the same, it equates them. Which is NOT REALITY. But if outlets treat them as the same, there’s a real good chance we get Trump. And there’s a not insignificant chance if that happens we won’t have another fair election again.
Biden has a lot of problems but they are absolutely nothing compared to Trump on all the same counts and vastly more.
Yes, it’s exactly this. It’s the idea that you’re feeding into the “both sides” bullshit.
Yeah I’m worried equating the too will lead to voter apathy. And voter apathy leads to Trump winning (like it did the first time). If we have to have a grandpa in charge, focus on the competency of their advisers.
On is doing a lot to help the country. The other is planning an active takeover and purge of “half the ones who don’t agree with our dictatorship”.
As someone who phone banks, canvasses and gets involved in primaries my anecdotal experience is that is not what’s driving voter apathy. What drives voter apathy is the fact that the DNC primaries keep producing these garbage candidates. When is the right time to have a conversation about the people who vote for them in the primaries? In my mind it shouldn’t be controversial at this point to say that voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries was selfish and stupid. So when does that conversation happen?
You’re sure winning hearts and minds over here by treating the majority of Democratic primary voters with utter contempt. There’s a reason Sanders ended his campaign early in 2020 and didn’t ride it to the end like in 2016, and there’s a reason he threw his weight behind Biden in 2020 where he did not support Clinton in 2016. Sanders trusts Biden and the people he surrounds himself with, and I do too, even if I disagree with his admin on some issues.
Is that inappropriate? Because that’s the treatment I receive on a regular basis when I inform people I’ll be voting 3rd party.
“Someone was mean to me, so I’m going to be mean to everyone too.”
Does that mean you believe it’s inappropriate when someone treats me with contempt when I say I’m voting 3rd party and not for Joe Biden in the 2024 general election?
Also “don’t talk bad about the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries” which kinda guarantees it will keep happening.
Feels before reals.
The person you’re responding to is describing a conscious, rational thought process, not feelings
There’s degrees of loyalty. I agree with you that lots of people are willing to say Biden shouldn’t be leading the country and then start talking about how he’s better than Trump. Fine.
But the missing part of that conversation is this: If Biden shouldn’t be leading the country what do we say about the people who voted for him in the 2020 primaries? Was that a selfish and foolish decision?