Yes, there were civilian infrastructure targets, probably used as fear mongering after the bombing of the bridge
And this is absolutely unacceptable and reprehensible. It doesn’t matter if Russia does it, if Ukraine does it, if the US does it, if Israel does it, if Al-Qaeda does it, or if the unabomber does it. I don’t care about what the political or military goals are, or if this is done in retaliation to an attack. Any strategy that targets civilians is complete and utter bullshit.
Okay, let’s start by punishing the wrong doers in chronological order then, the US is going to have a bad time with all the economic sanctions that will be applied to them for the tens of thousands of war crimes they have commited.
Applying economic sanctions will hurt the common people much more than those in power. Let’s imagine for a moment that you and I do have enough power to choose what happens. Why would we choose to harm the people who are virtually powerless, continuing the trend that those currently in power love to follow? Justice should be applied selectively and proportionally to the people in power that actively fuel and manage the conflict. Not to the people who happened to be born in a place and tried to live their lives.
I agree, death penalty to the bourgeoisie sounds like a more charming alternative, the whole damn congress of the Usonian Empire is going to get wrecked, lol.
The reality is that all wars end up hurting the civilian population. The only way to avoid that is to stop the wars. Unfortunately, the west is determined to fight this proxy war to the last Ukrainian, and Russia sees this war as existential.
It is, but we live in a world where might makes right. Unless different countries learn to respect each others boundaries, and work towards solutions that are mutually beneficial, we’re doing to keep seeing more of this going forward.
Yes, and it is quite sad. The ability and will to exercise violence is one of the most fundamental forms of power. Hopefully we can solve this one day. Even the more elaborate attempts to do so today - such as nuclear deterrence - uses the threat of violence to prevent violence.
And by that you imply that Russia should leave Ukrainian territory (including Crimea) and start paying retributions for the damage the war caused, right? RIGHT?!
I imply that Russia will not leave Ukraine and that the west is not able to force Russia to leave Ukraine. Russia will win this war, and the only question is how many people will die to make that happen. Moralizing solves nothing.
Are you some kinda doctor strange and can go into the future to see all the possibilities to state such things with clear certainty?
No, I just happen to have basic understanding of how economics and logistics work. But don’t take it from me, a “Russian propagandist”, here’s what western media is saying on the subject
welp, you sure know lots of economics, logistics and other stuff sloshing in your skull to have laser focus on a single outcome of an event. I guess that unprecedented god-like knowledge justifies insulting everyone who questions your position. You sure know everything, so you probably know how this interaction ends as well, why bother replying to such utterly ignorant people?
Was there a point for the counterpoint? I guess I lack the basics of economics and logistics to see it, oh well. Don’t judge my ignorance, step-dr.Strange, I can’t come close to your omnipotence
And this is absolutely unacceptable and reprehensible. It doesn’t matter if Russia does it, if Ukraine does it, if the US does it, if Israel does it, if Al-Qaeda does it, or if the unabomber does it. I don’t care about what the political or military goals are, or if this is done in retaliation to an attack. Any strategy that targets civilians is complete and utter bullshit.
Okay, let’s start by punishing the wrong doers in chronological order then, the US is going to have a bad time with all the economic sanctions that will be applied to them for the tens of thousands of war crimes they have commited.
Applying economic sanctions will hurt the common people much more than those in power. Let’s imagine for a moment that you and I do have enough power to choose what happens. Why would we choose to harm the people who are virtually powerless, continuing the trend that those currently in power love to follow? Justice should be applied selectively and proportionally to the people in power that actively fuel and manage the conflict. Not to the people who happened to be born in a place and tried to live their lives.
I agree, death penalty to the bourgeoisie sounds like a more charming alternative, the whole damn congress of the Usonian Empire is going to get wrecked, lol.
The reality is that all wars end up hurting the civilian population. The only way to avoid that is to stop the wars. Unfortunately, the west is determined to fight this proxy war to the last Ukrainian, and Russia sees this war as existential.
I don’t disagree, but I stand by what I said. Targeting civilians is unacceptable, regardless of perceived or actual existential threats.
It is, but we live in a world where might makes right. Unless different countries learn to respect each others boundaries, and work towards solutions that are mutually beneficial, we’re doing to keep seeing more of this going forward.
Yes, and it is quite sad. The ability and will to exercise violence is one of the most fundamental forms of power. Hopefully we can solve this one day. Even the more elaborate attempts to do so today - such as nuclear deterrence - uses the threat of violence to prevent violence.
Yeah, completely agree. If we don’t destroy ourselves we need to find ways to work cooperatively instead of turning everything into a zero sum game.
And by that you imply that Russia should leave Ukrainian territory (including Crimea) and start paying retributions for the damage the war caused, right? RIGHT?!
I imply that Russia will not leave Ukraine and that the west is not able to force Russia to leave Ukraine. Russia will win this war, and the only question is how many people will die to make that happen. Moralizing solves nothing.
Are you some kinda doctor strange and can go into the future to see all the possibilities to state such things with clear certainty?
**or you’re just a Russian propagandist who’s not allowed to accept any deviation to the fixed point of view?
🤔 I wonder which is more likely
No, I just happen to have basic understanding of how economics and logistics work. But don’t take it from me, a “Russian propagandist”, here’s what western media is saying on the subject
It’s pretty shocking somebody could hold such strong opinions on a subject they’re utterly ignorant of.
welp, you sure know lots of economics, logistics and other stuff sloshing in your skull to have laser focus on a single outcome of an event. I guess that unprecedented god-like knowledge justifies insulting everyone who questions your position. You sure know everything, so you probably know how this interaction ends as well, why bother replying to such utterly ignorant people?
Wow, such an amazing counterpoint you’ve mustered there.
Was there a point for the counterpoint? I guess I lack the basics of economics and logistics to see it, oh well. Don’t judge my ignorance, step-dr.Strange, I can’t come close to your omnipotence