More details in the compete post: https://www.tumblr.com/lavenderhorns/705277666010464256/every-now-and-then-i-remember-that-malbolge-exists?source=share
In the soap opera General Hospital, Colonel Sanders of KFC makes a guest appearance because someone is trying to kill him to obtain the secret recipe of 11 herbs and spices. He knows Malbolge and is able to disarm the destruct sequence.
… I… what?
I thought you were kidding.
Well, I wasn’t kidding, but I put about a 50% chance that someone had just vandalized the wiki page…
Thanks for finding that, absolutely golden lol
That soap opera apparently has 15000 episodes and has been airing since 1963…
So you’re saying that might not even be the craziest episode?
The chance of that is definitely not negligible
This is peak programming. That’s it. It’s done. We can pack up and go home now.
Sounds like Javascript and co-pilot to me.
Got you covered, friend.
Fuck… all the big tech corps got some catching up to do
Apparently, this is the code for a Hello World program in Malbolge:
(=<
#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:H%c#DD2^WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkjLooks like the backticks in the program messed up the formatting a bit, here’s it with fixed formatting.
(=<`#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:`H%c#DD2^WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkjNot that it’s any more intelligible. :D
What steps did you take to fix the formatting?
(Save me the Unicode identifier / dive into console :) )
I just grabbed the original program from Wikipedia and put it in a code block.
The document icon below each comment is “view source.”
(Also where’s your comment on Lemmy.world!)
… where are your vote icons, in general?
Wasn’t logged in,
nice thanks :)
Still curious why your comment doesn’t show on Lemmy.world!
General ban by an admin being an asshat. Haven’t bothered asking nicely to get reinstated.
Lemmy desperately needs some default notification, because what newbie is checking a site’s modlog with any regularity? I didn’t even know it existed. I was bickering with some troll who said ‘you’re cruising for a report, mister!’ despite being far further over-the-line than me, and I said, that’s adorable, knock yourself out. And then things so thoroughly stopped working that I assumed my LW account had been straight-up deleted.
Meanwhile, that troll suffered no consequences whatsoever. Despite starting shit, getting personal, and being wrong. My accordingly low opinion of moderation across Lemmy has since been vindicated more often than not. This was the largest instance that didn’t demand “civility” as a constant choke-collar, and the worst problems I’ve had have still been mods flying off the handle in cases where I’ve been perfectly polite.
Apparently I can’t say please and thank you without people taking it as vicious sarcasm, so I don’t fuckin’ try and I don’t fuckin’ worry about it. It’s been freeing.
just copy the comment?
Ah, yes! Much better!
Huh. Looks just like Perl.
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Biblically correct hello world
Idiomatically nonsensical, as all things should be.
Beautiful
And I’ve heard it took years until someone managed to do it
Mom, put down the phone, I’m using the modem!
Holy cow.
The Base3 arithmetic alone makes me deeply upset
Base36 is where it’s at! Super divisibility, 0-Z keyspace, and “10” is a Square that’s also the product of two squares.
Plus you can count to “40” (144) on your hands!
How do you count in base36 on your hands? I seem to only have 10 (decimal notation) fingers
You can count up to 1023 in base 2 using your fingers to represent 0s and 1s.
In theory yes, in practice…fingers don’t like cooperating with the combinations of bent and up that you can get by doing that
Yeah, fingers have a strong union.
Speak for yourself
Hypermobility ftw
I do it regularly… I particularly like 4.
In all seriousness, I use it when I need to time something - 32 on one hand means one minute (approximately) with two rotations. I started when trying to determine if my daughter was asleep, waiting for a minute after she’d last moved or talked, and I didn’t want a screen or light or noise to wake her (she’s always been hard to get to sleep).
So - yeah it’s a tiny bit tricky to do some combos, but no more than touch typing.
I understand this, but I didn’t know how one would count up to 36 the first time around. PhlubbaDubba is using joints in their fingers to get additional objects to increment on. If we only used our fingers, we could only get to 10
Each hand is one base-6 digit.
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Using your thumbs as pointers, count the joints in your fingers on one hand, that gets you to 12, use the other hand’s finger joints to count the thirds within 36, with 4 fingers on the other hand, that’s “40”
Despite this design, it is possible to write useful programs.
Interestingly, this applies to C++ too.
So is there a 9th circle? Would that be a programming language where the only way to compile would be to speak op-codes out loud in the correct sequence & cadence into a microphone?
oh my god don’t give them any ideas for tonal programming languages
Too late, take a look at teletext and RDS for radio, and also literally the very first cable free TV remote controls
There’s a conlang introducing phonemic hats, so why the hell not?
High Ceremonial Programming(k)
Looks interesting. Except for the fact that an instruction is modified after execution, this is quite simple in the end. Unless I missed something. But yeah, self-modifying instructions makes loops really hard.
honesty I never understood why people consider malbolge so bad . sure its difficult AF to do anything in and the complexity gets quite higher still , but IMHO its just to abstract to be painful , it feels to different to feel like something you should be able to understand .
honesty struggling to write simple operations in some of my own esolangs was way more mind-bendingly horrid than I think malbolge could be without making a compiler to it , while still feeling like I was programming .
to be fair I also made ArrayFuck so yeah
“counter-intuitive crazy operation” meh, we already have that, it is called Haskell.
Haskell’s crazy operation is intuitive though. Assuming you’re talking about
>=, it’s just a generalizedflatMap.This is probably a rather controversial topic in the haskell community. Haskell library and base has a tendency to provide “too many“ infix operator (at least IMO), many of which makes code hard to read for beginners and experts alike.
See the discussion here: https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_programming_tips/Discussion#Use_syntactic_sugar_wisely
As a professional Haskell developer, I tend to agree. I loathe any and all lens code I find using a ton of operators (though I just dislike lenses in general). Operators from base are generally fine, but for the rest, just use normal functions damnit. Operators suck for code navigation too.
Yeah, it is one of the problem I have about Haskell.
The other two are lazy evaluation makes print debugging almost impossible, you will need to print the entire environment to figure out where you are.
Finally, I feel like List.fold, state monad, lens are basically just working with mutable structure with extra steps. Although this constructs prevent newbies who are not principled enough to effectively use mutable structure from using mutable structure, but it also doesn’t help experienced user to write more effective and clean code.
Mutuabilty are certainly not harmless either. For example in ocaml, if you construct the IntSet type twice, they will be two completely different type. But this behavior can be pretty easily avoided by an experienced user.
What do you feel about these features/shortcomings?
Haskell is abstract, and very different from other popular languages, but I actually find it very intuitive. At the very least, the type system makes it extremely predictable.
I didn’t imagine a joke would attract this many people defending Haskell. LOL.
I personally would say I hate Haskell the least among most of the PL I know, maybe except ocaml. Haskell is probably the second if not the most popular programming language (not including proof assistant) in my field, next to Ocaml; and I have been teaching it for couple years. My work is also heavily involved with category theory, so I don’t personally mind the category theory jargon.
But all of these doesn’t mean Haskell is without its flaws. For this post in particular, I am referring to one of the long standing debate in the haskell community of whether Haskell user and developer has a tendency to overuse exotic infix operators: https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_programming_tips/Discussion#Use_syntactic_sugar_wisely
Haha, an actual category theorist! You should have gone with “we have more than one of those in Haskell” or something, then. As it is, it really just reads like someone who thinks higher-order functions are too hard of a concept, and that the whole language is therefore garbage.
welp, karma is not a thing here, nor do I care about them. It is great to see people loving haskell, it is a decent language <3.
