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    There are Hamas fighters, future Hamas fighters, potential Hamas fighters and Hamas sympathizers. All belong to Hamas. There might be other categories as well.

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      Saw someone else post this on lemmy:

      WCK surely stands for World Central KHAMAS.

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        Research friendly fire incidents and the Hannibal directive in the IDF. No one kills Jews more efficiently than Israel.

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          Netanyahu knew about Hamas militants moving funds from Iran and Egypt warned him about the impending attack, but he did nothing. I suppose he was preoccupied with containing protests against his judicial reforms but he may have thought letting Hamas to thrive in order to justify his fascism will do him favours. And boy he was wrong! As much as Israel have gone further right, at least they did not let themselves be hoodwinked and many ordinary Israelis have gone back to the streets to protest against Netanyahu and his failure to prevent the attack by Hamas. The opposition will have easy victory in the next election.

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    Every whole in the ground is a Hamas Tunnel, every Palestinian is Hamas, every person critical of Israel is pro-Hamas.

    You can see it everywhere, not just Israeli Propaganda (and even that from its unwavering supporters like Germany and the Biden Administration) but even here posts accusing somebody critical of Israel of being pro-Hamas are common.

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      Ooh, be careful with those views. Someone who doesn’t understand what antisemitism is might call you an antisemite.

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      I’ve definitely seen exchanges like that here. “Maybe genocide is bad.” And then some nutjob going off asking if they really think Hamas would welcome them.

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      While the word antisemitism has lost all meaning because of israel labeling everyone critical of them as anti-Semitic, it’s better not to use it ironically as people will conflate anti-israel with anti-Semitism and it might negatively affect real jews against israel.

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          Yes but there’s a lot of KKKers right now that are not very intelligent and just want to hate on Jews. If think they can start openly saying they are anti Semitic we have a different problem. Which israel doesn’t care about of course.

          It’s disgusting that israel is using anti Semitism as a shield for their crimes but don’t even let them pretend they are right.

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    Sorry guys, no one’s allowed to comment on the fact that Israeli soldiers are killing children, journalists, and aid workers. If you do it’s antisemitic because of their noses. Sorry I don’t make the rules

    /s

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    Literally disband the state of israel but damn they had to use the nose huh?

    It’s like the Kelly video where he’s all “you gotta give me the teeth!”

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    No-one else is going to question the use of “khamas”? Really?

    Hamas is 5 letters long, it’s not like it would have been difficult to get the spelling right.

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    Really? We’ve basically descended to antisemitism now?

    I 100% think the use of force in Gaza is genocide and a war crime, but this is a cartoon I’d expect from the Right. We’re better than that.

    Looking forward to the downvotes for my ground shattering opinion that racial generalizations never have a place in political commentary.

    EDIT: I’ve never been happier in my life to be downvoted. Keep them coming. I love how I even said in my initial comment that I do not support Israel and think they’re committing genocide (which is the general Lemmy opinion), but I’m still getting toasted. I would say the same thing about a WWII cartoon that made racial generalizations about Asians, or about the imperialist cartoons of the late 1800s that made generalizations about any number of a group of other people.

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        And the big nose shit is a critic of said government and not antisemitism at its finest in what way exactly?

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          It’s a cartoon. Big noses are extremely common. There’s a specific way that a stereotypical “Jewish nose” looks, and this isn’t it.

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            What’s worse though?! Comic artist giving people big noses or an army indiscriminately killing children and press then sweeping them both under the rug as terrorism?

            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      Israel are not the Jewish people. You’ve been propagandized to. I’m sorry and fuck off.

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        Yeah, the cartoon really conveys that with its stereotypical depiction of a Jewish person.

        There are better ways to represent a country.

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          Hey boss, they do everything in their power to make you think they represent all Jewish people. This is the most inoffensive way to illustrate them I’ve seen in a long ass time.

          I think you’re just struggling with the fact they’re the bad guys.

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        Being against the state of Israel does not make one antisemitic. Just like being against the US doesn’t make you anti-christianity. States and religions are not the same thing.

        People aren’t down voting you because of groupthink. They are down voting you because of OPs and your bad take. Quit whining. Get better takes.

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        the downvotes are because the opinion expressed is not only wrong, but monstrous. its like saying “its complicated” about the holocaust or any other of the myriad of crimes committed by the nazis. it is fucking not and muddying the waters by stating otherwise makes you nothing but a genocide apologist.

        from the river to the sea

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        There’s no nuance here. This cartoon is not antisemitic in the slightest. Criticizing the action of the Israeli army is not racism/xenophobia.

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        Oh yeah, I’m not worried about it at all.

        It’s just disturbing to me to see the side that I see as the good guys (the left) getting increasingly drawn into the trap of violence and discrimination. It’s like no one in politics has the ability to self-reflect these days.

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          It’s just disturbing to me to see the side that I see as the good guys (the left) getting increasingly drawn into the trap of violence and discrimination.

          You got disturbed by your own imagination which is something children do.

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      You’ve learned a valuable lesson today. A large fraction of the Lemmy userbase is anti semites who got banned from Reddit for advocating for violence against Israel.

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      Both the press and the soldier have quite a large nose so that doesn’t seem to imply much.

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        As an artist myself, nothing is ever an accident. There wasn’t any need for it to tell the story. Using bigotry to describe genocide is a misstep.

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            I looked at his Instagram before I left my comment (that agreed with you) and there’s a drawing of a middle eastern guy with a nose way closer to the stereotype on there, too.

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                I’m not just hesitant to claim it’s bigotry - I’m outright refusing to without further evidence for all the reasons you outlined. There’s nothing bigoted about the way the soldier is drawn because that’s not even accurate to the stereotype at all

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            Make some shit up? It’s pink and unusually elongated with respect to the other characters. I’m not going to scour through the artist’s works to prove that it might be an accidental embellishment. If you make a comic that is not part of a series, it should be self contained.

            All the other details you pointed out are just strawman bullshit.

            What’s happening to Palestinians is genocide. It’s fucked beyond belief. This went from a poignant comic to something I don’t want to be associated with.

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                Four fingers, one floating eye, sclara? All straw-men that you ‘defeated’ to prove me wrong. I don’t comment on bigotry lightly. I know antisemitism is thrown around as much as comparisons to hitler in hyperbole these days.

                If someone has to look at your body of work to understand if you’re racist or not, you fucked up.

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                  Have you heard of a saying? “Those looking for something will find it even where none exists.”

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          You immediately jumping to it being bigotry is the very thing Israel is doing right now claiming all criticism is bigotry. They both have stupid looking noses since its a sketched cartoon. Stop jumping to conclusions.

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            Yeah but the artist is called Nasser. Sounds pretty antisemitic to me. I met a guy called Nasser once, guess what his surname was? That’s right, Hussein. What do you think he thought about Jews? I’ve no idea, he seemed like a decent guy though, so probably nothing awful. I’m assuming this Nasser Junior must be his son? He had a big nose too, come to think of it.

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          Indeed, very deliberate – because it makes a fucking penis shape, you silly goose. Look at the positioning of the eyes.

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            Maybe. If I were to draw a comic about Japanese I’d be very careful about how I draw eyes and teeth because of how they were stereotyped in the past. If I drew one with black people I’d be sure it looked nothing like Pepe the frog. Lots of characters have the eyes outside the head style. Weiner face isn’t what I see here.

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      Come on, that’s just a cartoon nose. It’s not even close to the racist stereotype of Jewish noses.

      The Jewish nose, or the Jew’s nose, is an antisemitic ethnic stereotype referring to a hooked nose with a convex nasal bridge and a downward turn of the tip of the nose

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_nose

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        I didn’t think today I’d be looking at people arguing a Jew depicted with twice the size nose as the other character in the panel while speaking in broken English was going to be argued as not stereotypical because it isn’t hooked enough.

        Certainly didn’t think I’d see it as the upvoted opinion.

        Not at all like classic stereotypes or anything:

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vw-g6JzHii8

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          Uhhh it’s a pretty huge difference. Nobody says Jews have long pointy noses like that.

          Go look at his other comics. You’ll find he’s drawn noses way more similar to the stereotype on brown people speaking arabic

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      You’re right. They also didn’t use the Israeli flag, instead opting for just the Star of David.

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      Honestly I think eye dialect is the real grotesque part of this.

      Most Israelis are native English speakers or were raised speaking English, there’s no reason to have used satirical grammar except to portray a gross ethnic stereotype.

      Not to mention that I think it undercuts the premise to make it about ethnicity.

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        I’m sorry maybe I’m missing something, but how is it a stereotype to have the character speak like an idiot? The artist is trying to show that Israel in general is being idiotic, so this character speaking in a grammatically incorrect way matches that.

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          It isn’t just an idiotic way of speaking, they’re using eye dialect spelling to reproduce the guttural sound in traditional hebrew pronunciation (e.g. 'k-hamas), which is ethnically specific and a very common trope in antisemitic media. Modern Israelis typically have more in common with western english speakers (many don’t originate from Israel at all) than with this type of orthodox speech mannerisms.

          It would have been one thing to portray the figure as an idiot, but combining it with ethnically-charged tropes and signifiers starts making the comic less about the nature of what they’re doing (and the ridiculous logic they’re using to justify it) and more about what ethnic group the figure is a part of.

          It’s good practice to look critically at politically-charged comics for shorthands like the above.

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            Have you considered perhaps the view of Zionists considering themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity?

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              Congratulations, you’ve broken my brain with this rationalization of antisemitism.

              ‘They consider themselves the only ‘real’ jews, so by being antisemitic i’m really just being anti-zionist’

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                Have you considered perhaps the view that you might be an idiot? I do, and I accept that I lack understanding and that my knowledge is incomplete. You should try and do the same. It helps.

                Back on the topic. If Zionists consider themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity and thus separate themselves from the rest of their ethnicity, when someone else depicts that view, it is automatically anti-Semitic?

                So when Nazis separated themselves from the rest of the populace, only accepted the Aryan race as supreme and started genociding those they considered inferior, people who depicted them as such were actually anti-germanic.

                I hope your brain doesn’t hurt now that it’s broken.

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                  If Zionists consider themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity and thus separate themselves from the rest of their ethnicity, when someone else depicts that view, it is automatically anti-Semitic?

                  Lol, you’re really doubling down on this? By your logic, does depicting a jew with a hooked nose classify as antisemitic? Since they say they’re the ‘true jews’, are any of the classic jewish stereotypes fair game?

                  The problem with their use isn’t that you’re projecting a classification on them, it’s that you’re tying their differentiating characteristics to the terrible thing they’ve done. You’re making it (to varying degrees) about what makes them jewish, not the terrible thing they’re doing.

                  I’ve heard a lot of rationalizations of racism before, but “i’m actually doing activism” is a new one.