Donetsk and Lugansk have been de facto independent for 8 years now, since the US-sponsored, fascist coup in Kiev and subsequent genocide against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. And whether you like it or not, the republics are now officially recognized by Russia, and will probably be recognized soon by other countries like China. Western politicians will whine and implement their sanctions, but no one will care.
They did not recognize that it was de facto independent? Sure they did. Everyone did. Whether you acknowledge them as de jure independent republics by right is a different question that Russia just answered today.
The idea that the NATO boogieman is behind popular protests is a common Russian propaganda talking point. NATO is just not sophisticated enough to engineer a mass uprising like the Maidan Revolution. If they had, don’t you think their newly minted puppet government would have “invited” them in already, just like Russia did in Donbas?
I wonder how reliably the US could realistically avoid funding the Azov Battalion while they are funding other parts of the Ukrainian military. They’ve been an official part of the National Guard since 2014.
Donetsk and Lugansk have been de facto independent for 8 years now, since the US-sponsored, fascist coup in Kiev and subsequent genocide against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. And whether you like it or not, the republics are now officially recognized by Russia, and will probably be recognized soon by other countries like China. Western politicians will whine and implement their sanctions, but no one will care.
A fact that was not recognized by Russia until a few hours before sending in its troops.
They did not recognize that it was de facto independent? Sure they did. Everyone did. Whether you acknowledge them as de jure independent republics by right is a different question that Russia just answered today.
The “coup” where over a hundred protestors were killed by the government? That’s not a coup, that’s mass protests.
I’m guessing you’ve never heard of color revolutions
Of course I have, but just because things didn’t go your way doesn’t mean it’s a coup.
You have to be wilfuly ignorant to not know that this was a coup.
The idea that the NATO boogieman is behind popular protests is a common Russian propaganda talking point. NATO is just not sophisticated enough to engineer a mass uprising like the Maidan Revolution. If they had, don’t you think their newly minted puppet government would have “invited” them in already, just like Russia did in Donbas?
Meanwhile in the real world
The fact that it was a coup is very well documented. Only fascists deny this.
Ah yes, the classic. Calling someone who disagrees with you a fascist.
When it quacks like a duck and supports a fascist government in Ukraine…
Are you talking about the US funding that specific excluded groups a list of groups with fascist ties?
I wonder how reliably the US could realistically avoid funding the Azov Battalion while they are funding other parts of the Ukrainian military. They’ve been an official part of the National Guard since 2014.
Meanwhile in the real world
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/far-right-extremists-in-ukrainian-military-bragged-about-canadian-training-report-says-1.5631304
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356691143_The_Maidan_Massacre_in_Ukraine_Revelations_from_Trials_and_Investigation
US funding did not exclude Azov Battalion until 2018