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Several ISPs in France have started censoring rt.com via their DNS resolver.

Why are they doing this? I guess officially they’ll say it’s because of Russian propaganda about Ukraine, and that’s partially correct.

But also worth pointing out is that despite very uncritical propaganda from the regime about what happens in Russia, RT is one of the only mass media (non-independent publication) where you can have decent news about social uproar in France (gilets jaunes, anti-police-abuse riots, etc).

We haven’t reached the point where posts to RT are censored on social media (where it’s most popular) so i can’t exactly say we have “one side” to the news yet but it’s getting closer.

This message is both a fuck you to french ISPs engaging in censorship (remember Sci-Hub? TPB?) and a reminder to all the Putin fanboys around here what “there’s only one side to the news” really means: Russia is already there (there’s a few independent publications but they’ve been struggling for years with State censorship and journalist assassinations) and France is getting closer (on the other side of the narrative). The rest of you who live in countries with more free speech can’t even realize what information control means so please don’t take these words lightly.

  • Joe Bidet@lemmy.ml
    21·
    3 years ago

    Just out of sheer anti-censorship curiosity: are RT streams still available somewhere on the Internet?

      • a_Ha@lemmy.ml
        2·
        3 years ago

        Yes. & i had to look it up (eli5) :
        whataboutisms : A propaganda technique where criticisms are deflected by raising corresponding criticisms of the opposite side.
        Please, add a note on “straw men”

        • UnreliantGiant@lemmy.ml
          5·
          3 years ago

          “A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

          Basically I claim that X is true, and someone debunks my claim by saying Y is false, while Y is actually something I never said

    • obbeel@lemmy.ml
      02·
      3 years ago

      It doesn’t do any good if all privacy groups that govern Tor end nodes are in US and Europe, because that’s exactly the places where things will get banned.

      Imagine advocating against authoritarian censorship and having it on your own home.

  • Julianus@lemmy.ml
    21·
    3 years ago

    RT was actually useful back in 2006. It provided alternate viewpoints in American politics. But it’s morphed into a blatant mouth piece for Russian propaganda since then. It’s not even subtle. Nor, at that rate, useful.

    It is hard to find independent news these days. But I am enjoying the sudden drop in anti-vax noise as soon as the cyber war was kicked off by the Russian invasion. So, until Russia goes back to their strategy of highlighting western hypocrisy, rather than actively subverting our institutions with fake news, I’m fine with turning off the spigot of disinformation and lies.

    • guojing@lemmy.ml
      03·
      3 years ago

      If countries can get away with blocking RT, they will follow by blocking more and more inconvenient websites.

      • Julianus@lemmy.ml
        1·
        3 years ago

        They can get away with it. That’s why it’s important to have distributed servers like Lemmy.

    • arbocenc@lemmy.ml
      14·
      3 years ago

      RT is useful today to get rid of western misinformation. For example, in Catalonia today misinformation (western aligned) media talk about a Russian attack to a Ukrainian nuclear plant. It would be a stupid action, obviously, but our media spread this stupid info.

      Instead, RT, first talk just about an explosion and, finally, when facts were clear, from a combat between a Ukrainian sabotage unit and the Russian patrol who has taking care for the security of the Central since Ukrainian army left it.

      But, OK, you prefer just have one “information” source?? lol

      • Julianus@lemmy.ml
        2·
        3 years ago

        Actually, I prefer as many sources as possible. But Russia has decided that it’s cheaper to bring the world down to it’s level with lies, rather than build itself up with anti-corruption reforms. Currently, the cost of wading through Russian disinformation is more than it’s worth. The pandemic would be over already, but for Russia’s funding anti-vax lies. in a classic case of blowback, that operation has come back home, been translated to Russian, and their wormtongue memes are crippling Russia’s own response to Covid.

  • obbeel@lemmy.ml
    33·
    3 years ago

    People who can’t see what’s wrong with this are brainwashed beyond repair.

      • UnreliantGiant@lemmy.ml
        73·
        3 years ago

        Countries joining NATO want to join NATO. The majority of people in Ukraine want to join NATO. Russia is currently demonstrating to the world exactly why Ukraine wants to join NATO. Also Russia knows exactly NATO would never dare to attack Russia, just like NATO knows exactly Russia would never dare to attack them. Russia (Putin) is not scared about a NATO attack, he’s scared he won’t be able to insert a puppet government in Ukraine ever again. Let’s not pretend it’s about something else.

        NATOs eastward expansion (in the past 30 years, not 60) is the product of those countries wanting to be in NATO. The Warsaw Pact was with the Soviet Union. Not sure if you noticed, but the Soviet Union does not exist anymore. Oops. I want to introduce my own whataboutism here: what about the Budapest Memorandum that Russia broke in 2014 by annexing Crimea?

        Yes NATO did bad things and will do bad things in the future. This does not legitimize Russias invasion at all.

        And sorry for being silent about things going on in the world years ago, I was too young to understand shit at the time. But anyway, when there’s police fatally shooting hundreds of protesters, it’s a sign the Maidan revolution was absolutely necessary.

        Even Chinese state media (CGTN) is criticizing the invasion.

          • UnreliantGiant@lemmy.ml
            61·
            3 years ago

            USA bad != Russia good
            I come from Germany, we hate both of them here.

            Where have I been the last 60 years? Nonexistent, mostly. Probably just like you. Stop this whataboutism

            Again, NATOs eastward “expansion” is going on for 30 years, and it doesn’t happen by force but by those countries voluntarily joining it. And Russia is still doing great advertisements showing why someone should join NATO. They do this to themselves. The only thing forbidding this expansion is an old agreement with the Soviet Union, which still doesn’t exist.

            And where is the 0.2% Nazis nonsense coming from

            Good question, I don’t know where it’s coming from either. I don’t see it anywhere in this entire thread, so it must be coming from you. I already explained in another comment what a straw man is, thanks for the great example. You even combined it with Godwin’s law.
            But since you bring it up, why doesn’t Russia bother getting rid of their own Nazis first? The Wagner Group? Why do they not-so-covertly sponsor many far-right parties in European countries? Why does a presence of Nazis even warrant an invasion? If Russia just never bothered annexing their land and sponsoring seperatists, things like Azov (which I assume is what you’re on about here) would have never even existed in the first place.

            I didn’t suddenly “wake up” to this war by the way. I have friends and relatives in Ukraine, I have actually been there and seen the country and the people. Did you? I talked to people who were fighting the separatists, and who are fighting in Kiev now. The parents of a friend are stuck in Sumi right now, a shop next to their home was bombed a few days ago. They sure love being “liberated” by Russian artillery.
            And before you say “whAt AboUT tHe USa??!”: yes they invade countries too and it’s bad too. Finally something we can agree on

            I won’t feed this discussion any further

              • nachtigall@feddit.de
                22·
                3 years ago

                Wrong facts. NATO’s eastward expansion has been going on since 1959, and we are not living in 1989.

                Between 1959 and 1998 only Spain became a new NATO member (see your own graphic) which I would hardly call eastward expansion 🤨

              • Julianus@lemmy.ml
                44·
                3 years ago

                It’s hilarious that the Azov Battalion was formed from a bunch of racist rednecks because Russia invaded Crimea. And now you use it as the justification to for another invasion? Russia needs to learn to stay in it’s lane.

                As for Wagner Group, it is directly operated as a thinly veiled proxy army. They are a Kremlin asset whose leaders flash Nazi insignia as much as those Azov yokels. I wonder how the Ukrainian denazifacation of Wagner is going in Kyiv? Three foiled assassination attempts so far…

      • obbeel@lemmy.ml
        12·
        3 years ago

        That’s true. Sorry for not knowing how fucked up this world was back then.

        It’s because I was told that in times of pressure, freedom of information or civil liberties wouldn’t be affected. But this was just dumb thinking.

        I was told that this was better, and that this would lead us to an answer. That’s why I believed that this wouldn’t happen.