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Horrifying privacy implications aside, AI has really become the new cryptocurrency.
Don’t get me wrong, both technologies are interesting, but it’s tiring to see both be forced into applications that functioned just fine without them.
It’s arguably worse, since it seems to be more pervasive than crypto and NFTs were at their peak.
Crypto never really hit the mainstream, and even NFTs were still fringe. Whereas AI and AI accelerators are packed into basically every new phone and (Intel) processor.
Regulatory hurdles kept crypto out of most mainstream products. There are no such barriers for AI, and any that are put up may come too late.
There are also more possible mainstream use cases for AI - if the technology works as promised. That’s the biggest for AI currently, and some products like the Humane Pin are already tripping over it.
There are way more uses cases to the average person than crypto so that’s only natural. There’s also a trust issue with crypto that doesn’t exist with AI, as well as losing your money when things go wrong.
That being said, I don’t approve of this nor adding it randomly to products where it clearly has little use. If people want generative software, they can just choose to install it.
There’s a trust issue here as well since AI only works if you train it and we are training it with our activity, reported to private companies who can do whatever they please with it. I don’t trust anything Microsoft does.
I meant more a trust issue in the sense that it’s hard for people to feel safe putting their money into crypto. A lot of the coins are scammy and even some of the exchanges don’t really look legit.
In terms of privacy and collecting data which is what I feel like you are referring too, the general population sadly just doesn’t give a shit. Most really don’t care about what’s being done with their data.
Why call out Intel? Pretty sure AMD and Nvidia are both putting dedicated AI hardware in all of their new and upcoming product lines. From what I understand they are even generally doing it better than Intel. Hell, Qualcomm is advertising their AI performance on their new chips and so is Apple. I don’t think there is anyone in the chip world that isn’t hopping on the AI train
Because I was only aware of Intel (and Apple) doing it on computers, whereas most major flagship mobile devices have those accelerators now.
GPUs were excluded, since they’re not as universal as processors are. A dedicated video card is still by and large considered an enthusiast part.
Fair enough. Was just asking because the choice of company surprised me. AMD is putting "AI Engines in their new CPUs (separate silicon design from their GPUs) and while Nvidia largely only sells GPUs that are less universal, they’ve had dedicated AI hardware (tensor cores) in their offerings for the past three generations. If anything, Intel is barely keeping up with its competition in this area (for the record, I see vanishingly little value in the focus on AI as a consumer, so this isn’t really a ding on Intel in my books, more so making the observation from a market forces perspective)
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You’re not wrong that GPU and AI silicon design are tightly coupled, but my point was that both of the GPU manufacturers are dedicating hardware to AI/ML in their consumer products. Nvidia has the tensor cores in its GPUs that it justifies to consumers with DLSS and RT but we’re clearly designed for AI/ML use cases when they presented them with Turing. AMD has the XDNA AI Engine that it is putting its APUs separate from its RDNA GPUs
But what about my Web 3.0 AI cryptocurrency in the metaverse?
“An app that lets you make nfts from images created by a camera in the metaverse”
Isn’t that already a thing? That surely has to be a thing already.
Probably already got rugpulled.
Written in rust.
AI what?
both technologies are interesting
AI has uses that aren’t about covering your tracks or evading law enforcement. Edit: bring on the downvotes, cryptobros.
I definitely understand your view on crypto, and I hate to be an apologist, but here’s a view you may not have considered:
I think mainstream society has gotten far too comfortable with the lack of privacy in our everyday lives, and this extends to finance. A company has no business tracking the data about my purchases, let alone selling it. The government doesn’t need to know everything I spend money on either.
As with most topics relating to privacy, it’s not that I worry about what I have to hide. I worry about your intention with that information. As one example, if I were needing to buy Plan B for an emergency contraceptive, there is a not insignificant portion of our government and the general population that frowns on that, and could paint me as a target in the future if it was known.
The problem is that crypto is not untraceable like it’s fans want to push. There have been multiple instances of it being tracked back and traced, by private individuals and law enforcement. It’s just debit card processing with extra steps and massive drain on resources.
Monero exists and is constantly being improved in that regard. And even traceability aside, you’re forgetting one massive usecase: unlike debit cards, its usage cannot be denied or restricted.
its usage cannot be denied or restricted
lol wat? I don’t know of a single local establishment that accepts Monero (or any other crypto) as payment (not saying it doesn’t exist, but it if so they are exceedingly rare). Seems pretty restricted to me. They also don’t seem to accept caps, eddies, gold, or spetims oddly enough.
Local establishments can use cash, so this is not a problem. Problems with cash begin when you try to pay, say, for a domain, or a server.
I am in full agreement with your view on privacy, but I don’t think that cryptocurrency is a solution. People far more eloquent than I have already fully described why elsewhere, so I’d just like to thank you for your civil response.
our government
Not mine. Classic Murica problem, I suppose?
I fully agree, I just think the solution is cash. Use cash for normal payments. Buy a house with 20s even. Ok maybe not that, but for groceries or when you would use Venmo yeah do it
I agree cash is the right idea, for now, but can you say for sure cash payment will be possible forever, or even the next 50 years? Wouldn’t it be better to blunder around with new ideas while cash is still a good fallback? Not saying I like crypto, and the cost on resources and the environment sucks bad, but I can at least appreciate them trying something. Now we just need to come up with sustainable options…
I get that cash seems a pretty durable idea, and it’s lasted for hundreds of years, but it did so before the massive societal turn towards technology we’ve made in the last 30 years.
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Crypto is cash for digital world. The only existing analog I can think of is sending cash by mail, which is obviously slow and not guaranteed to.npt be stolen or confiscated on its way.
Yes, but evading LEOs is good and buying drugs online in a free and open marketplace is my sacred, moral and god-given right than no glowie should infringe upon
I fully agree. I just also think crypto is terrible for that use case. If you’d be caught for using Venmo for drugs they can catch you using crypto. It might be harder, but that whole public immutable ledger means all they have to do is tie accounts to names. Which coincidentally you need to do to cash out or cash in.
Which coincidentally you need to do to cash out or cash in.
Yes, and no. You do need to cash in at some point, but you don’t have to do it thru a public exchange. People do sell physical wallets for hard cash. And even if you do use an exchange, when I last looked into crypto the common currency for drugs (monero) was obtainable on exchanges that didn’t have KYC rules. Outside of exchanges, you can also transmit currency directly to other parties, and once you use tumblers and other anonymous platforms, tracking becomes extremely difficult. It’s not impossible, but it becomes troublesome enough that unless you’re a big fish/crime lord/whatever, the FBI/interpol/whoever isn’t going to be bothered wasting resources.
Using Venmo anonymously is much harder than XMR or even BTC, and probably illegal too.
Wait are you telling me that the company that ties a debit card to my name and is owned by the founder of a surveillance company and funder of fascists isn’t secure? /s But yeah, Venmo is the opposite of secure, but it’s filled a specific use case that cash is great for and that crypto often likes to act like it’s good for.
So what would it take for me to trust a cryptocurrency? Stability, wide use, actual security, and low transfer costs and risks. It’s competing with cash and Venmo for use case so it needs to actually compete with them.
I think crypto has more or less shit the bed here. BTC is created by a gold fetishist and is deflationary. The whole of normal people’s perception of crypto is that it’s an investment. There’s also the resource intensity of everything. There’s just so many problems here that cash just resolves.
Yea, crypto is not without its problems. But it is the closest we have to cash for online world. What would you really do when you can’t go somewhere physically? Send cash by mail? This is indeed an option in some places, but in other the cash has a high chance of not getting through at all.
Public immutable ledger as a means of tracing is not an issue XMR has because it’s all anonymous.
But even if LEOs wanted to tie all that to names then they’d have to use either bank records (easily avoided - don’t buy anything from a bank or licensed exchange and not P2P with bank cards or anything else tied to them i.e. use PayPal under a fake name if you were grandfathered in before all the KYC shit) or they’d have to tie it to shipment addresses for stuff off DNMs which they could, if they bust a vendor, but it doesn’t mean jack shit in a court of law - Who ordered a kg of amph to my household? Lord only knows.
So, how will this work and comply with laws regarding its use in a medical institution?
What about its use in a company that has extremely valuable trade secrets that need to be kept that way?
What about the military?
Wouldn’t this make for an excellent target to harvest data for hackers?
I wonder if Win 11 LTSC will leave it out.
Microsoft will release a GPO or MEM setting that works 20 percent of the time to turn off the constant AI data mining, only available to enterprise SKUs.
Other than them having some setting only for enterprise users, there’s another question - what has more weight, Microsoft or the law?
In America who knows. In Europe, it’s probably the law
what has more weight, Microsoft or the law?
If law forces them, Big IT will challenge it only to get a few years to mine data and get a few billions. Or outright violate it, because the penalty will be less worth.
Military would be fine, because they don’t tend to update very frequently, if at all. If it works, that’s the way it will stay, and the recent controversy wouldn’t exactly encourage them to do so.
What about its use in a company that has extremely valuable trade secrets that need to be kept that way?
Same way the LLM debacle has currently gone, where people will just throw sensitive information into it with abandon. At least one major tech company has penalised workers for doing that with ChatGPT.
If there’s a group policy to turn it off, maybe, but Microsoft might just not have one, or it’ll need to be disabled every update.
Honestly it’s still strange to me that the us dod doesn’t have their own in house operating system
The hard part in doing that is making it compatible with everything. It’s not useful if it can’t run everything.
Very good questions!
Most importantly - is it watching my porn with me too and learning about that?
Yep, that shit won’t be running on my computers.
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Well… given every single Windows update has failed for the last few months for me it really won’t be running on my PC.
I’m going to need to wipe the bloody thing soon though because of the security risks.
Time to go back to Linux Mint I guess
Try KDE Neon
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As worse and worse win11 features are unveiled it’s so funny to see these posts slowly filled with more “yeah i just switched to linux” comments.
Obligatory Linux mint post.
Switched to mint on my laptop a couple months ago and love it, using it full time on that system. Still need to run windows on my desktop for some audio production and VR gaming, but honestly that system is going to Mint next for the other 90% of the usage. Couldn’t believe how refined the Linux desktop experience has gotten, but then again last time I gave it a try was probably well over a decade ago :)
Really loving Bazzite so far.
what specs do you have? im wondering since im planning to install it on my school laptop (lenovo thinkpad 11e 4th gen, 4gb ram, 128gb ssd, intel celeron, integrated graphics.) and in wondering if it would work somewhat fast, especially at web browsing.
The web is just heavy, no OS changes that. It will work fine but that ram could be filled by a few heavy sites.
yeah I just realised that fact, currently I use chromium and it is quite fast on my system so I don’t think there will be issues there. aside from that, how fast are windows programs compared to ordinary windows?
blocking the stuff you dont want (ads and tracking ) with dns blocklists and adblocker can help a bit. linux has also the option to compress the contents of the ram with Zram. i have not used it myself yet.
Thats a very broad question. My general thought is don’t install Linux to use Windows software. It’s gotten pretty good, to nearly same performance, but I wouldn’t count on it.
I appreciate the help, I was asking as my school laptop runs horrendously slow on windows, but when I utilise a Linux live environment, it’s suddenly bearable.
My apologies on the late reply, I currently have Bazzite on three devices, My main PC: Ryzen 7 3700X, RX 5600, 64Gb DDR4. My main laptop, a Lenovo E590. And my backup laptop: A Lenovo L412. So far, I prefer it over windows on all three.
pfff… I’m going back to Windows XP Pro x64 Edition.
don’t remind me of better days
And removing one of the best features, the subsystem for android. It stops making sense from many people’s perspectives and using a linux program like waydroid would probably be better than using android studio on Windows11.
Honestly I’m already not a big fan of Windows 10 so if Microsoft tries to force me to download Windows 11 with all these nonsense AI features that spy on you I’m just gonna switch to Linux
I switched in November. I have no regrets. I rarely run into issues, and having the control to make decisions over my own computer is superb.
having the control to make decisions over my own computer is superb
I find it really sad that it has come so far that feelings like these exist. That should be a matter of course. Instead, it has become a special feature.
I switched last week. It was pretty easy with only a few small issues.
Same! It was actually a pretty big surprise that Mint worked flawlessly out of the box on my crappy pre-built PC. Everything’s working great including the printer! I’m seriously impressed.
Everything you need to know
Is to delete windows 11
yeah, no thanks so fucking very much
No fuckin thanks…
So they disable this in EU, right?
Bring back Clippy
They renamed it Creepy.
Useless bloatware. And then they added AI.
Yep, the AI will be watching, including porn. (not confirmed since not out)
‘It looks like you’re writing a letter. Would you like a tentacle with that?’
The Eye
(It knows you, it sees all that you do) (You cant hide) (…) (You thought so much about whether or not you Could, that you didn’t think about if you should) (quite a scary thing) (to be so fully Known) (I hope that there is going to be a way to disable that)
(Why are we taking like this)
(Shhh they can’t see inside brackets yet, they try to parse it and fail)
(The bit outside the brackets is always the Entity and anything inside brackets is stuff that has nothing to do with the Entitys or is just an explanation ^^) (I am just trying to differentiate these two bits)
Oh! I get it! (no idea what you just said).
For the average user, with maybe a little bit of IT knowledge but doesn’t work in IT, what can we do for ourselves and our families other than go to win 11 eventually?
Unironically, switch to Linux. Mainstream distros like Mint, PopOS or Ubuntu are very friendly for casual users, have GUIs for everything and if something does go wrong, the error messages actually have proper meaning and you’ll find tons of resources online as well as people willing to help.
Most stuff nowadays runs in a browser anyway, so here there’s no compatibility issues, office is available in Linux through libre office and gaming has come far with steam and proton.
I trust Ubuntu about as much as windows
I don’t like Canonical either, hence my recommendations for Mint or Pop being listed first. But let’s be real, if someone wants to just get away from windows and wants something that works without having to learn much new, this is good enough.
On the bright side: If you’re tech-savy enough to form that opinion, you’re probably not the intended audience for this advice.
why?
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Well… That’s shitty behaviour. I’m luckily not on Ubuntu. Thanks for clarification.
If I’m reading this correctly this runs locally and will requirean NPU, so would not be present or working without AI dedicated hardware?
It honestly sounds useful and I would be a little excited to use it, but I imagine Microsoft will collect the data in some way which would be bad as it pretty much records your screen all the time (I somehow doubt all the info the AI collects will be actually stored locally)?
Hopefuly one day there will be a point when a similar software will be developed that runs 100% locally, storing the data locally and have no internet connectivity and just be a useful tool.
Good news is that unless you have Qualcomm CPU (or one with integrated NPU in the long run) you are safe from it for now
Yeah you just about summed up my thoughts about the feature.
It sounds like it could be genuinely useful, but I could never trust Microsoft to do it right, no matter how much they insist it’s local only.
