Some folk are having difficulty figuring out that there aren’t any good guys here. We have (in no particular order):
Hamas, who are killing and raping innocent civilians, maintaining military rule, and generally being some of the most prominent examples of why theocracy is bad.
Israel, who’s doing a genocide and helped ensure Hamas was in power because Hamas is fucking evil and thus easy to hate.
The US who is supplying the former, and thus making things easier for them. Simultaneously, Biden appears to be trying to get a bunch of countries to form a peacekeeping force, but frankly I’m not giving him points for that. (Ofc, this does not mean you shouldn’t vote for him. Trump is worse.)
A large ammount of civilians who are being pushed by the first two into making each other victims and being brainwashed into thinking that one or the other is good.
The closest we have to a good guy in this scenario is fucking Egypt who’s participating in a scheme to maintain a peacekeeping force. And as far as I remember not doing anything shady that’s relevant. Reminder that this is the country that periodically comes out with a magical AIDS-curing laser.
There was actually news that an Egyptian spy manipulated the peace process. His task was to talk with Israel and Hamas regarding a ceasefire. He manipulated the Hamas offer – which Israel accepted – without talking to Hamas with the goal to make Israel back off from the agreement.
So far no one knows why he did that. If he was Putin’s puppet or if it was orders from Egypt. But it shines a bad light onto Egypt’s role.
The good guys are the innocent victims on both sides. However, since one side has considerably more power than the other, the amount of victims they can rack up is far higher.
October 7th was horrible but also MASSIVELY embellished by outright Israeli propaganda. We still don’t really know what happened at that festival.
The rest of Hamas’ attacks are launching unexploded rockets that Israel fired at them back at Israel so their advanced defense systems can intercept them with zero casualties.
The only way the meme would be a decent comparison is if instead of King Kong, it was just a normal ass gorilla.
Right, the fact finding mission couldn’t establish mass rapes (because no footage showed rape) or beheaded babies, but mass genital mutilation, injuries in the genital area consistent with rape and “attempted or complete beheadings of victims”.
“It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity. While there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in the Nova music festival site, Route 232, and kibbutz Re’im, reported incidents of rape could not be verified in other locations. Concurrently, the team determined that at least two allegations of sexual violence in kibbutz Be’eri — widely reported in the media — were unfounded.
Turning to the West Bank, she painted a grim picture of “intense fear and insecurity, with women and men terrified and deeply disturbed over the ongoing tragedy in Gaza”. On her visit to Ramallah, she spotlighted instances of sexual violence in the context of detention, such as invasive body searches; beatings, including in the genital areas; and threats of rape against women and female family members. Sexual harassment and threats of rape during house raids and at checkpoints were also reported. She expressed disappointment that the immediate reaction to her report by some Israeli political actors was not to open inquiries into those alleged incidents but, rather, to reject them outright via social media.
However, she underscored that her findings do not legitimize further hostilities. Instead, they create a moral imperative for a humanitarian ceasefire to end the unspeakable suffering imposed on Palestinian civilians in Gaza and bring about the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages. “I am horrified by the injustice of women and children killed in Gaza,” she said, stressing that the end goal of her mandate is not “a war without rape” but a “world without war”.
Some folk are having difficulty figuring out that there aren’t any good guys here. We have (in no particular order):
Hamas, who are killing and raping innocent civilians, maintaining military rule, and generally being some of the most prominent examples of why theocracy is bad.
Israel, who’s doing a genocide and helped ensure Hamas was in power because Hamas is fucking evil and thus easy to hate.
The US who is supplying the former, and thus making things easier for them. Simultaneously, Biden appears to be trying to get a bunch of countries to form a peacekeeping force, but frankly I’m not giving him points for that. (Ofc, this does not mean you shouldn’t vote for him. Trump is worse.)
A large ammount of civilians who are being pushed by the first two into making each other victims and being brainwashed into thinking that one or the other is good.
The closest we have to a good guy in this scenario is fucking Egypt who’s participating in a scheme to maintain a peacekeeping force. And as far as I remember not doing anything shady that’s relevant. Reminder that this is the country that periodically comes out with a magical AIDS-curing laser.
In 1000 years you’d have Israel/Hamas all over again, but it would be Cabelas/BassPro
Cabelas is owned by bass pro so… that’s a good analogy actually.
You forgot that Hamas is run by people who spend most of their time living extravagantly in their sugar daddy countries.
There was actually news that an Egyptian spy manipulated the peace process. His task was to talk with Israel and Hamas regarding a ceasefire. He manipulated the Hamas offer – which Israel accepted – without talking to Hamas with the goal to make Israel back off from the agreement.
So far no one knows why he did that. If he was Putin’s puppet or if it was orders from Egypt. But it shines a bad light onto Egypt’s role.
I can’t think of a single motivation for doing that.
Putin loves chaos and dissent in Europe. Everything that escalates the situation in Israel and Palestine is good for him.
Yeah, that tracks.
The good guys are the innocent victims on both sides. However, since one side has considerably more power than the other, the amount of victims they can rack up is far higher.
That doesn’t really fit my platonic ideal of “good guy” but it’s a decent characterization nonetheless.
Here is the difference though.
October 7th was horrible but also MASSIVELY embellished by outright Israeli propaganda. We still don’t really know what happened at that festival.
The rest of Hamas’ attacks are launching unexploded rockets that Israel fired at them back at Israel so their advanced defense systems can intercept them with zero casualties.
The only way the meme would be a decent comparison is if instead of King Kong, it was just a normal ass gorilla.
Right, the fact finding mission couldn’t establish mass rapes (because no footage showed rape) or beheaded babies, but mass genital mutilation, injuries in the genital area consistent with rape and “attempted or complete beheadings of victims”.
Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks
The paragraphs in question:
No one is saying that they’re equally bad.