I doubt any of the people yelling obligate carnivore like it’s an incantation to banish vegans actually know what it means.

The wrong person is apologising here. You did nothing wrong. (lol I misread what you wrote)

Also I have zero interest in non-vegan’s opinions on vegan matters. If someone knowingly and calmly get involved in the industrial murder and exploitation of animals, everything they say about the issue is just concern trolling. It’s like the millions of carnist Westerners who hold strong opinions on PETA.

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Eating food is probably one of the only times some people truly genuinely feel happy

ha ha

I’m not going to weigh in on pets particularly because I don’t know enough, I’m also not vegan.

I wish more people did this about things

That’s a very interesting idea!

That’s been my experience, both online and offline: the most aggressive defensive reactions seem to come from resurfacing guilt and the need to rebury that guilt by any means necessary.

Eating food is probably one of the only times some people truly genuinely feel happy and is responsible for the massive defensive reaction when anyone suggests food habits should be changed

Yes, it’s like literally saying “i don’t want you to be happy”, i have that too, albeit only about bugs (but seriously i did almost ended a friendship over that, fortunately they weren’t serious about it and backed off when they realised i was).

I have thoughts so strap in. This is a bit of a rant trigger for me.

Food is awesomely important to humans. Every culture I have looked at (layperson, not anthropologist so there’s that) has some sort of food-hospitality ritual. Festivities have particular foods associated with them, you eat and drink certain things at weddings, funerals, birthdays, season changes, whatever. In houses it is often the kitchen which becomes the center of activity and socialisation. Food is probably involved to some degree in the vast majority of good memories you have, from meals with family, self indulgence after a hard or stressful day, meetings with friends, celebrations of achievement etc.

This isn’t that surprising, we are meat and it needs sustaining. A huge amount of effort in any individual’s life goes into securing and eating food.

But if you’re the kind of person that doesn’t view the world through a systemic lens, that looks at structural issues and ideological hegemony as a series of individual moral failings. Well someone raising veganism is obviously doing so to say that you are a bad person and you should feel guilty about all of your good memories. You see this shit directly, people constantly accuse vegans of having moral superiority complexes and wanting to shame people. Research says people vastly overestimate how negatively vegans judge non vegans. Antivegans also conveniently forget that almost every single vegan was non-vegan and thus was complicit in carnism until they were given the chance to change by someone else’s advocacy and education.

Generally the data say that people who anticipate negative judgement less from vegans are more likely to rate vegans as more moral/more positively. Notably this is true even in the absence of any actual interactions. The lashing out is massively driven by a guilt complex caused by a garbage understanding of how human societies and systemic evil actually work.

I wonder if this also applies to racism, sexism, etc.? Like if people who associate their positions on the hierarchy with happy memories (relationship swith their relatives, hanging out with a group of guys after school, etc.). So when you attack their position of power, they take it really personally. The “white guilt” stuff they spout is pure projection.

Now I’m wondering about how bullying the other manifests itself. It’s pretty common for white people to bond by using racism. Perhaps some chuds think fondly of the time they made fun of some gay person with their group of friends. When you tell them stuff like that is wrong, they flip the fuck out.

@Linkerbaan

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We reserve the right to remove information that could cause imminent physical harm to any living being. This includes topics like conversion therapy, unhealthy diets, and dangerous medical procedures. Information that could result in imminent physical harm to property or other living beings may also be removed.

And people pointing out the Democrats are complicit in Genocide apparently.

Good on those posters to spot the fake citations.

As someone who has worked in science, this passes the sniff test.

As someone who also has “worked in science” I find it incredibly cringe to read something like this. It just makes me read it in the voices of all the dumbass scientist coworkers I’ve had over the years who think they’re uniquely qualified to solve X problem because they have a bachelors and a few years on the job.

Basically a long-winded way of invoking Dunning-Kruger

Kill the redditor in you

hey this could be used in these ways you didn’t consider which will hurt the community - users

interesting we didn’t think about any of that, we’ll consider it lw admins

Who needs fed when you got admins like this? Probably still a

Embarrassing that people continue to use these instances

Apparently news is now gonna say no for now?

But bot still on every post so expecting rooki to say no it can’t be turned off

Vegan cats being the thing that tears .world apart is really funny because I’ve seen it irl and wouldn’t be surprised if ya’ll already had that struggle session here.

Not trying to start that debate here if not, but among most vegan groups I’ve been part of, many people had cats for years before adopting a vegan lifestyle in every other way, so it becomes a “don’t ask, don’t tell” situation. Otherwise, you get into endless arguments about how the cat havers aren’t really vegan. But the non-cat havers offer no real individual solutions and just tip toe around the idea that the cat haver should kill them to balance out the moral calculus, or give them to someone else to wash their hands of the issue while not materially affecting anything.

If you ever want to destroy a vegan community, ask if you should feed your cat a vegan diet or more generally about taking care of meat-eating animals at all.

Doubly funny, in an absurd way, is that .world will so fiercely advocate for their kitties, but ignore the deaths of humans that their favorite politicians are causing.

plus it was done by a pro vegan group

It was done by a uni. Fuck off, shit.just.works poster.

Guy (not OP, I mean the one from .world), fucking read the lit review. The unhealthiness of vegan cat food is based on vibes, not published evidence. There’s also a lot of back research that vegan cat food is fine, it’s not just this one study. Again, READ THE FUCKING STUDUY.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0284132

To study health outcomes in cats fed vegan diets compared to those fed meat, we surveyed 1,418 cat guardians, asking about one cat living with them, for at least one year. Among 1,380 respondents involved in cat diet decision-making, health and nutrition was the factor considered most important. 1,369 respondents provided information relating to a single cat fed a meat-based (1,242–91%) or vegan (127–9%) diet for at least a year. We examined seven general indicators of illness. After controlling for age, sex, neutering status and primary location via regression models, the following risk reductions were associated with a vegan diet for average cats: increased veterinary visits– 7.3% reduction, medication use– 14.9% reduction, progression onto therapeutic diet– 54.7% reduction, reported veterinary assessment of being unwell– 3.6% reduction, reported veterinary assessment of more severe illness– 7.6% reduction, guardian opinion of more severe illness– 22.8% reduction. Additionally, the number of health disorders per unwell cat decreased by 15.5%. No reductions were statistically significant. We also examined the prevalence of 22 specific health disorders, using reported veterinary assessments. Forty two percent of cats fed meat, and 37% of those fed vegan diets suffered from at least one disorder. Of these 22 disorders, 15 were most common in cats fed meat, and seven in cats fed vegan diets. Only one difference was statistically significant. Considering these results overall, cats fed vegan diets tended to be healthier than cats fed meat-based diets. This trend was clear and consistent.

Not to be a stick in the mud here, but… what? How on earth does “cats fed vegan diets tended to be healthier than cats fed meat-based diets” follow after “considering these results overall”? You mean the results that weren’t statistically significant? Those results? And that one statistically significant disease difference? It was for kidney problems, and the vegan cats had more problems than the non-vegan ones (table 6).

If there’s a case for feeding cats a vegan diet, this ain’t it.

I know it’s not intentional but fuck me if I didn’t doubletake at 1418

Because the priority for them is engagement, regardless of how harmful the content could be to people. Engagement doesn’t mean shit here because nobody’s profiting off of it.

Am I really hearing this shit from a .world user?

That post is wild just carnist after carnist whining

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They’re apparently going to release an actual statement on the “incident” Later today. It would be surprising if anything good came from that after they wrote these new rules to justify further actions.

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Meanwhile, those same cis people when they find out there’s HRT in their meat: “Nuh uh, it’s the soy”