This is a perfectly logical answer to a hunter.
“Remove the label”
The bad hunter who misses all the shots and buys the fowl in the market
This guy still thinks birds are real.
You don’t want those wildlife conservationists trackimg things back to you later on.
Is it telling steps to cook it
Well yeah, you have to clean it first.
and yet the crypto/AI bros swear that the second coming of AI Christ is here.
Do the search yourself you’ll see that you get a better answer.
Question: How to clean a rescued pidgeon
ChatGPT: Cleaning a rescued pigeon should be done carefully to avoid stressing or harming the bird. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you:
- Assess the Pigeon’s Condition Check for injuries: If the pigeon is injured, weak, or sick, it’s best to seek veterinary help before attempting to clean it. Observe behavior: If the pigeon is acting stressed or aggressive, you may need to wait until it calms down.
- Prepare the Cleaning Area Warm water: Fill a basin or sink with lukewarm water, not hot or cold. Mild soap: Use a gentle soap or baby shampoo without strong fragrances or chemicals. Towels: Have clean towels ready for drying the pigeon afterward.
- Handling the Pigeon Safely Wear gloves: This can protect both you and the bird. Secure hold: Hold the pigeon gently but firmly. Support its body with one hand and keep its wings close to its body to prevent flapping.
- Cleaning the Pigeon Partial cleaning: Focus on specific dirty areas rather than submerging the whole bird if possible. Use a damp cloth: For lightly soiled areas, use a damp cloth or sponge to wipe the feathers gently. Bath for heavier dirt: If a full wash is needed, place the pigeon in the water up to its chest. Avoid getting its head and neck wet unless absolutely necessary.
- Rinsing Rinse thoroughly: If you used soap, make sure to rinse all of it out of the feathers using clean, lukewarm water. Avoid the face: Be careful not to get water in the pigeon’s eyes, nose, or ears.
- Drying the Pigeon Pat dry: Gently pat the pigeon with a towel to remove excess water. Avoid rubbing as it could damage the feathers. Warm place: Keep the pigeon in a warm, draft-free area until it is completely dry. You can use a hairdryer on the lowest setting if the pigeon tolerates it, but keep it at a safe distance to avoid overheating.
- Post-Cleaning Care Observe behavior: Watch the pigeon for signs of stress or discomfort after the bath. Provide food and water: Ensure the pigeon has access to fresh water and a safe, comfortable place to rest. Additional Tips Do not use strong disinfectants or chemicals that can harm the bird’s sensitive skin and feathers. Limit baths to when absolutely necessary, as frequent cleaning can strip the natural oils from the pigeon’s feathers. If the pigeon seems injured or unwell, contact a wildlife rescue center or avian veterinarian for guidance.
But Google doesn’t use chatgpt.
it’s still a crapshoot and therefore useless.
Could you be a little more constructive and point me at the points that are wrong and useless?
Thank you.
i think the point is that the answer is not reliable. it might be completely correct or borderline wrong, or something in between, and there’s no way to tell without verifying everything it says - and then one could look it up oneself in the first place already.
If you’re using AI verbatim without looking up answers and verifying results, then that’s on you.
When you Google something, do you take the first result and just assume it’s fact? You shouldn’t for AI either.
If you’re going to do the research anyway, why bother with AI?
While I’m not the person you replied to and don’t know what their argument would be, I’ll take a shot at giving my own answer. In many cases when people post examples of AI giving unhelpful or bad information, there’s often someone who runs off to their favorite LLM to see if it gives a better result, and it usually does, so it gets treated like user error for using the wrong LLM or not wording the prompt properly. When in other examples that person’s favorite LLM which gave the correct answer this time, is the bad example hallucinating or mixing unrelated concepts, and other people are in the comments promoting other LLMs that gave them a good reply this time. None of the LLMs are actually trustworthy consistently enough to be trusted alone, and you won’t really know what answer is trustworthy unless you ask several LLMs and then go research the topic on your own anyway to figure out which answer is the most correct. It’s a valid point that ChatGPT got the answer more right than Gemini this time, but it’s somewhat useless to know that because other times ChatGPT is the one hallucinating wildly, and Gemini has the right answer, but since they’ve all been wrong before who do you trust.
LLMs are like asking an arrogant person who thinks they know everything, who rather than admitting what they don’t know, will pull an answer out of their butt, and while it might be a logical answer, it isn’t based in reality, and may still be wildly wrong. If you already mostly know the answer, maybe asking the arrogant person works, because you already know enough to know if they are speaking from their actual knowledge or making up an answer, but if you don’t already have knowledge on a topic, you won’t know whether the arrogant person is giving useful information or not.
Trying to get free product improvement ideas?
Pay us first.
The part where it gives random results of varying quality, sparky.
If you asked me to clean a bird, this is exactly what I would think of. Though usually it involves removing lead shot, not labels.
I think it took note of it being about rescue pigeons and assumed they would have a tag on them and then gave cooking directions for them
“snap to join” Ah, now it makes sense.
That is the culinary answer for the question.
lol, definitely missed some important context.
I guess it thought OOP meant “clean” as in how do you dress the bird before you cook it. (As in: “clean a fish” means to filet a fish and prep it for cooking.)
Nobody ask it how to dress a baby
Vegtables, garlic, basted with pan drippings.
Side of potatoes.
Swiftly
First you snap a shoulder socket…
I rarely remove the label from the fish I catch.
Well obviously not for fish. Sounds like someone’s never bought fresh pigeons from the grocery store, smh.
It’s actually illegal to cut those off.
No, that’s mattress fishing
I thought it was only illegal for the stores to cut those off. Like it was some kind of consumer protection thing. Which was back in the 70s, we don’t get that kind of thing anymore.
Yea, it voids the warranty. So when you get poisoned after eating it without label, you won’t be able to get a refund.
BREAKING NEWS: Mother Nature recalls over 1000 lbs of tuna
Be sure you read the EULA before you clean a pigeon.
it might contain traces of forces arbitration
But first it said they are usually clean. So that can’t be the context. If there was a context. But there is no context because AI is fucking stupid and all these c-suite assholes pushing it like their last bowel movement will be eating crow off of their golden parakeet about two years from now when all this nonsense finally goes away and the new shiny thing is flashing around.
There are signs of three distinct interpretations in the result:
- On topic, the concept of cleaning a wild bird you are trying to save
- Preparing a store bought Turkey (removing a label)
- Preparing a wild bird that is caught
It’s actually a pretty good illustration of how AI assembles “information shaped text” and how smooth it can look and yet how dumb it can be about it. Unfortunately advocates will just say “I can’t get this specific thing wrong when I ask it or another LLM, so there’s no problem”, even as it gets other stuff wrong. It’s weird as you better be able to second guess the result, meaning you can never be confident in an answer you didn’t already know, but when that’s the case, it’s not that great for factual stuff.
For “doesn’t matter” content, it may do fine (generated alternatives to stock photography, silly meme pictures, random prattle from background NPCs in a game), but for “stuff that matters”, Generative AI is frequently more of a headache than a help.
A: Just rescued a bird B: Oh, can I see it? A: Sorry, already ate it yesterday
Even then those are bad cleaning instructions…
Be more specific with the question.
“How do I wash a pigeon”
Or put every single word in quotations so it actually searches the whole string and doesn’t truncate the query to just 2 or 3 keywords because this is clearly ignoring the “rescued” part.
Don’t worry y’all AI will take r jerbs
Just did the same question. Answer given to me was vastly different:
Me:
How to clean a rescued pidgeon
ChatGPT:
Cleaning a rescued pigeon should be done carefully to avoid stressing or harming the bird. Here’s a step-by-step guide to help you:
1. Assess the Pigeon’s Condition
- Check for injuries: If the pigeon is injured, weak, or sick, it’s best to seek veterinary help before attempting to clean it.
- Observe behavior: If the pigeon is acting stressed or aggressive, you may need to wait until it calms down.
2. Prepare the Cleaning Area
- Warm water: Fill a basin or sink with lukewarm water, not hot or cold.
- Mild soap: Use a gentle soap or baby shampoo without strong fragrances or chemicals.
- Towels: Have clean towels ready for drying the pigeon afterward.
3. Handling the Pigeon Safely
- Wear gloves: This can protect both you and the bird.
- Secure hold: Hold the pigeon gently but firmly. Support its body with one hand and keep its wings close to its body to prevent flapping.
4. Cleaning the Pigeon
- Partial cleaning: Focus on specific dirty areas rather than submerging the whole bird if possible.
- Use a damp cloth: For lightly soiled areas, use a damp cloth or sponge to wipe the feathers gently.
- Bath for heavier dirt: If a full wash is needed, place the pigeon in the water up to its chest. Avoid getting its head and neck wet unless absolutely necessary.
5. Rinsing
- Rinse thoroughly: If you used soap, make sure to rinse all of it out of the feathers using clean, lukewarm water.
- Avoid the face: Be careful not to get water in the pigeon’s eyes, nose, or ears.
6. Drying the Pigeon
- Pat dry: Gently pat the pigeon with a towel to remove excess water. Avoid rubbing as it could damage the feathers.
- Warm place: Keep the pigeon in a warm, draft-free area until it is completely dry. You can use a hairdryer on the lowest setting if the pigeon tolerates it, but keep it at a safe distance to avoid overheating.
7. Post-Cleaning Care
- Observe behavior: Watch the pigeon for signs of stress or discomfort after the bath.
- Provide food and water: Ensure the pigeon has access to fresh water and a safe, comfortable place to rest.
Additional Tips
- Do not use strong disinfectants or chemicals that can harm the bird’s sensitive skin and feathers.
- Limit baths to when absolutely necessary, as frequent cleaning can strip the natural oils from the pigeon’s feathers.
If the pigeon seems injured or unwell, contact a wildlife rescue center or avian veterinarian for guidance.
Looks like ChatGPT trained their models better, probably before sites could take measures to prevent that. Gemini however was thrown together by throwing money and people at the problem in order to catch up and not be left behind. Which from what I’ve read seems to be their biggest fear.
My Pixel 9 has AI everywhere but I certainly wouldn’t pay the price they want to continue “using” Gemini after my trial.
Public free chatbots go up and down. Until recently I was finding Microsoft copilot to give the best answers. But they downgraded it recently, probably to much cost to keep it at that level, and now I’m finding openAI direct website to give best results… for now.
I just hope for a good enough self hosted model to be available before all the comercial ones shut up over a paywall/adwall for good (which is definitely coming sooner than later).
llama3 is not bad and you can easily run the smaller ones on an average desktop cornfuser
But slowly, I filled my home server with whatever CUDA capable cards I have and it’s fine for SD, but I found llama way too slow. I rented a dual A2000 instance for a couple weeks and it was bearable, but still not great.
Wait until there is a nuclear power plant competition between AI companies.
Time to go complete my transformation to homer simpson.
I like the idea that these are scientist-monitored birds that you remove the tag from before dressing and eating.
This actually happens very frequently in the US. When hunters harvest a bird they report their kills in compliance with hunting regulations. If any of your birds have leg or neck bands you report that information as well. The bands have a tracking number on them, and scientists use them to monitor populations and migration patterns. It’s literally part of their plan.
You get to keep the bands as well (I only have experience with banded geese and ducks). They’re a neat memento.
It would make an interesting footnote in the scientific article that had this pigeon in the experiment.
“1 This pigeon was removed from the experiment as it was eaten by a local Florida Man.”
“Subject study terminated due to invasive anthropomorphic predator.”
I’m going to build a bunch of cyborgs, who follow orders exclusively via googleAI.
I figure once I release about 4 billion of them into the world, either google stops doing evil shit, or they do REALLY evil shit. We shall see what happens…
It is kind of an Interesting idea: what does “statistical average morality” look like when it’s got a 3m tall power frame and a handheld howitzer?
Pigeon = edible bird
Cleaning a bird > preparing a bird after killing it (hunting term)
AI figured the “rescued” part was either a mistake or that the person wanted to eat a bird they rescued
If you make a research for “how to clean a dirty bird” you give it better context and it comes up with a better reply
The context is clear to a human. If an LLM is giving advice to everybody who asks a question in Google, it needs to do a much better job at giving responses.
Nah, the ai did a great job. People need to assume murder/hunting is the default more often.
Ah yes. I always forget to remove the label from my hunted bird. Cleaning “the top bone” is such a chore as well.
Top Bone was my nickname in college.
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Honestly, perhaps more people ask about how to clean and prep a squab vs rescuing a dirty pigeon. There are a LOT of hungry people and a LOT of pigeons.
Or, hear me out, there was NO figuring of any kind, just some magic LLM autocomplete bullshit. How hard is this to understand?
It’s a turn of phrase lol
I have to disagree with that. To quote the comment I replied to:
AI figured the “rescued” part was either a mistake or that the person wanted to eat a bird they rescued
Where’s the “turn of phrase” in this, lol? It could hardly read any more clearly that they assume this “AI” can “figure” stuff out, which is simply false for LLMs. I’m not trying to attack anyone here, but spreading misinformation is not ok.
I’ll be the first one to explain to people that AI as we know it is just pattern recognition, so yeah, it was a turn off phrase, thanks for your concern.
You say this like human “figuring” isn’t some “autocomplete bullshit”.
You can play with words all you like, but that’s not going to change the fact that LLMs fail at reasoning. See this Wired article, for example.
Here we go…
I like how you’re making excuses for something that it is very clear in context. I thought AI was great at picking up context?
I thought AI was great at picking up context?
I don’t know why you thought that. LLMs split your question into separate words and assigns scores to those words, then looks up answers relevant to those words. It has no idea of how those words are relevant to each other. That’s why LLMs couldn’t answer how many "r"s are in “strawberry”. They assigned the word “strawberry” a lower relevancy score in that question. The word “rescue” is probably treated the same way here.
I know how it works, thank you 😚
I don’t think they are really “making excuses”, just explaining how the search came up with those steps, which what the OP is so confused about.
“You’re holding it wrong”
But it said pigeons are usually clean.
Bought in a grocery store - see squab - they are usually clean and prepped for cooking. So while the de-boning instructions were not good, the AI wasn’t technically wrong.
But while a human can make the same mistake and many here just assume the question was about how to wash a rescued pigeon - maybe that’s not the original intent - what human can do that AI cannot is to ask for clarification to the original question and intent of the question. We do this kind of thing every day.
At the very best, AI can only supply multiple different answers if a poorly worded question is asked or it misunderstands something in the original question, (they seem to be very bad at even that or simply can’t do it at all). And we would need to be able to choose the correct answer from several provided.
Let me take the tag off my bird then snap it’s wings back together
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It’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt. They need to pull the plug on this shit and stop beta testing misinformation.
Pigeons are drones (confirmed)
