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President Joe Biden’s economic achievements—lowering inflation, reducing gas prices, creating jobs, and boosting manufacturing—are largely unrecognized by the public, despite his successes.

His tenure saw landmark legislation like the Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS Act, and major infrastructure investments.

However, Biden’s approval ratings remain low, attributed to inflation backlash, weak communication, and a media landscape prone to misinformation.

Democrats face a “propaganda problem” rather than a policy failure, with many voters likely to credit incoming President Trump for Biden’s accomplishments due to partisan messaging and social media dynamics.

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    No shit! Say it with me:

    Conservatives control the media. Conservatives control the narrative. Reality does not reflect what people see.

    When overnight the Joe Rogan interview with Trump had over 40 million views, the issue becomes clear.

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    biden getting flak over inflation is fucking hilarious.

    The fed is literally irrelevant to the president, the president does not control inflation. Sure maybe his spending increased inflation. But the entire global economy was at a practical stand still. If you think getting a seized ICE working again is hard, try it with a global economy.

    You can bitch all you want about inflation, but at the end of the day, nobody really knows what the right solution here was. We could’ve gone through another great depression event if not for global stimulus. And a few years of bad inflation and high costs will beat literally starving.

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    Opinion: I Lost Because I Didn’t Do Anything Wrong and Have no Lessons to Learn

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    His adminstration may have not created them. But the neoliberal Democrats that he represents did going all the way back to Clinton.

    He also only deployed half measures or dragged his feet all the way until the last minute.

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    Consider this.

    A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.

    We made a guy who was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers step down because he was old. Then we hired another equally old rich guy who openly talks about wishing workers had less rights.

    Americans. Are. Stupid.

    Our situation isn’t going to get better any time soon. For those of us who aren’t boomers, we’re basically locked into a lifetime of economic hardship.

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    It’s not even a propaganda problem, per se, because most people aren’t obsessively following the news and economic reports.

    It’s how they feel about money.

    That was the biggest single issue.

    People looked at grocery store prices and said, this is nuts, I was paying half this just four years ago.

    It doesn’t matter to them that global inflation skyrocketed along with inflation in the US, or that we’re doing better than the rest of the world right now. They want to see prices go down, even though that would be deflation, which is incredibly bad for an economy.

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    Average american seems to be easily manipulated, especially if its about politics. No fact checking, just going with “gut” feeling.

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    Remember when he first got elected and people blamed covid on him as a joke (it happened before he was in office)
    …then now people actually believe it

    Edit: point proven.

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    Same shit as always, the (relative) left actually does make an attempt to keep its promises but no on hears about it because the right wing own 90% of the media.

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      I swear for every positive story about something Biden did, there were 3 or 4 about Trump just being Trump: saying some outrageous lie, gaffes, and of course all the crimes. He’s sucked all the air out of the room for 10 years and now we’re going to have another 4. All news, positive or negative, is publicity.

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      the (relative) left actually does make an attempt to keep its promises

      If you didn’t learn the lesson that this isn’t true in the last 4 years then all hope is lost

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    No, voters punished Biden for his inability to effectively communicate what he’s done to help them. This has been a consistent problem with the democrats, and with corporate media. Democrats need better spokespeople and better messaging.

    They also need to stop catering to the ultra rich and moderate republicans because that shit turns off the base faster than crap messaging. There is no “liz cheney, nikki hayley” constituency as we saw last Tuesday.

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      You’re right that Dems need better messaging and to stop catering to the ultra rich. At the same time, we can’t discount the propaganda messaging that the article mentions. Not being in their echo chambers means not being exposed to the bulk of it, and that is great. At the same time, it means being disconnected from what a lot of people are basing their opinions on.

      For a few years, up until the start of this year, I had a job that required interacting with families in people’s homes. If I had a choice, I would’ve preferred to avoid the right-wingers… but gotta do what you gotta do.

      Some households were pure poison: hate-driven parents who constantly belched up Fox news topics. These parents normally communicated with their kids through complaining and screaming. But if a kid made some quip about “Biden sucks,” they got a brief moment where their parents would actually laugh. The reinforcing power of that toxic dynamic cannot be understated.

      It’s no wonder that a lot of kids in those circumstances end up eager to repeat the same crap their parents say. In the time that I worked that job, a lot of the commentary was Biden-centric, making him a convenient punching bag that even the smallest fists could reach (even if they had no idea what they were doing/saying.)

      Dems have a lot of improvements to make, but it would take a lot more than “improved messaging” to overcome the sheer power of this propaganda culture.

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        The right has unlimited money and resources when it comes to corporate media messaging. The media will not save us. The revolution will not be televised; it’s not in the papers, it’s on the walls.

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        thank goodness the democrats don’t have a media apparatus and what we all consume is news and truth instead of propaganda.

        it’s so comforting to be in a community of people who are immune to propaganda

        Joe Biden is the best president we’ve ever had and Kamala Harris ran a perfect campaign. That just doesn’t mean anything.

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          For how much you complain about people just downvoting instead of replying, you sure don’t like to interact in good faith once they do reply. Maybe learn how to have a serious discussion before demanding that people have serious discussions with you?

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            Who replied to me in this thread before you?

            In what faith would you describe your response, wherein you made no statement, argument, or claim that has anything to do with anything besides you being upset with my tone?

            You are exactly the type of person I’m speaking about and to. You should listen.

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        The article headline reads like voters don’t want the things Biden did. Which is a lie, and part of my gripe about messaging and the media. A better headline is “Voters don’t understand what Biden did for them, and that needs to change”.

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      They didn’t promise unicorns like the Republicans did, and voters still got mad that only some people got unicorns.

      Republicans have promised to eat all the unicorns.

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          Yeah, the U.S. pushed for global adoption of the HPV vaccination that literally vaccinates against that cancer. That’s what he was referring to. And if people get it instead of drinking horse dewormer, it’ll stop that cancer from spreading.

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        Seeing a lot of silent downvotes for an objective fact recited in a value neutral manner.

        That in itself says more than I could hope to about the topic of this thread

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          Okay, I’ll bite and take a few minutes to refute yet another of your seemingly patently false statements that you provide no evidence for.

          Are you talking about the expanded child tax credit that the senate didn’t pass(the house did)? If so, that’s not on the president.

          I downvoted you at almost every opportunity bc it seems like you’re just talking out of your ass, which isn’t helpful. If I missed something that you’re referring to for poverty, feel free to share and support your argument.

          https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-is-the-child-tax-credit-and-how-much-of-it-is-refundable/#how-did-congress-expand-the-child-tax-credit

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            Are you talking about the expanded child tax credit that the senate didn’t pass(the house did)? If so, that’s not on the president.

            It’s the unified government under one party of which the president is the head

            You’re being a dishonest weasel

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    Basically every American I personally know lives paycheque-to-paycheque as megacorps move in to bleed them dry on every front.

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      So its a good thing that Biden used the SEC to break up monopolies and used the FTC to implement things like click-to-cancel, and invested 5 trillion dollars in the middle class and green energy manufacturing. Oh and he also tried to pass student debt relief but kept being stonewalled by repugnants.

      Biden was the first president to turn away from neoliberalism this century and everyone is upset he didn’t magically fix everything all at once.

      Bidens problem has been one of messaging. He didn’t know how to connect with the voters to get them to understand all the things he was doing.

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        I hoped that 2016 was a fluke, that Americans weren’t that dumb and hateful but rather we got caught unprepared by a personality we didn’t expect to run for president.

        I hoped that 2020 was the true thoughts of Americans, that the insurrection represented the dying grasp of an extreme minority.

        I don’t think Trump stole the 2024 election. I think it proved that yes, this is America. Whether you think America has changed into this or was always this, it doesn’t take away the fact that a majority of Americans will believe anything so long as it makes them hate. Good news doesn’t drive votes. Fear and anger drives votes.

        I’ve tried so much to try and be a middle of the road voice of reason and moderation with my friends and family. I didn’t want to be a knee jerk conspiracy theorist, I was always patient with people, listened to them, told them the places they were right, and asked them questions hoping they would ask themselves. I’d say “be like Mr. Rogers. And if someone isn’t acting like Mr. Rogers, be like Mr. Rogers.”

        It started to hit when a friend of mine who is very left wing told me that people with college degrees are brainwashed by the deep state. I had just told her I had a degree in political science.

        I ordered another drink and changed the subject but it hurt. Now I know she is representative of a majority of Americans. I’m worried civil war is all but inevitable when facts just don’t matter as much as anger.

        Edit: Lord grant me the strength to be like Mr. Rogers in this comment section.

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          I had just told her I had a degree in political science.

          All due respect, you are literally brainwashed by the deep state. Universities are institutions of the wealthy; of the status quo. They exist to train the managerial class of capitalist society. The ideas that rule are the ideas of the rulers. You specifically took as your major the mainline ideology of that ruling class. The only way you could have done yourself a worse service in that regard is if you took economics.

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            With all due respect youre simping or even more brainwashed than the people you are trying to argue with. You’re either paid or played, and have enough time to respond to everyone here.

            Why is it that the “deep state elite” universities always have such liberal voters? Why do liberals and deep state want to expand social welfare programs? Doesn’t seem very “wealthy brainwashing”.

            Most rulers didn’t take polysci, they got law degrees. Or bankrupted casinos.

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              Why is it that the “deep state elite” universities always have such liberal voters?

              Because liberalism is the governing ideology of capitalism and has been since the 1700’s. The problem you’re having is that your definitions of words is mush.

              Why do liberals and deep state want to expand social welfare programs?

              Can you please observe reality? When since LBJ has that been the case? When, since the Soviet Union was a rising threat, has the capitalist state done anything but austerity, union busting, and violently suppressing popular movements?

              Doesn’t seem very “wealthy brainwashing”.

              “I’m immune to propaganda”

              Most rulers didn’t take polysci, they got law degrees.

              Oh heavens, I’m sorry. I didn’t think about the law, which is completely free of the entrenched governing ideology.

              Perhaps you’d like to go to bat for Sociology next? Just because I didn’t mention a major by name doesn’t mean it’s exempt from institutional indoctrination.

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                Idk if any of this will help, but you’re very actively involved in the discussions and I encourage that. So, as a friendly commenter who sides with your disgruntlement of the situation, I thought I would at least point out the things that I understand but don’t 100% agree with.

                When it comes to degrees, I agree that it is a “machine” (education as a whole) that produces desired individuals to fulfill the roles it has established as “important/valuable”. Everyone can disagree on the opinion of what a “valuable” society is, but I digress. You have to understand that knowledge comes from experience and research though (just like you’ve probably done, just as an individual and not mandated by a course). The most succulent of critiques can come from someone deeply established in a field, kinda like how Bernie Sanders made comments about the DNC after the election and it forced the media and all of us to discuss it and the message.

                The truly dangerous ones are those who can fully understand how flawed a system is, but realize they must play it to their advantage to get what they “want” out of life. I just can’t demonize the whole entire system when the people I’ve learned and read from were birthed from that experience. A lot of people realize after or during pursuing a degree, just how bad it is so it’s some kind of awareness for a certain %. Now if they’ve fully embraced the system, you just have to find the examples they choose to ignore in their flawed beliefs.

                I also don’t know how effective the “per quote response” is. I’ve been guilty of it in the past, but honestly I think people just dont really read the “tit-for-tat” style comment replies (I find myself scrolling past if it’s too long). If they see one thing they disagree with then they downvote the entire comment. I try to hit the points I want but change the length and style of response in regards to how effective I can actually communicate to the person.

                I’m just happy that a little bit of sanity has returned to Lemmy (obvious from the changes in what got downvoted/upvoted or discussed heavily). It felt like everyone just completely drank the kool-aid so we could “save Democracytm!!” Unfortunately, I think people sold all the common-sense realty in their head for the Blue Superhero fallacy that could save us all from all the boogeymen. It will take time for some to let their head critique things effectively, some will never come back to reality. It’s one of the reasons I just asked a simple question instead of critiquing their entire argument (I think his entire premise is flawed, and happily skewed so Biden is still a hero in their eyes). It’s mostly there so other readers can see it and makes them pause for a second instead of just “believing” it’s true. If the OP comes back with a sane comment I’ll engage in a discussion, but we see from the response to me they don’t want to discuss facts so I’m not engaging further.

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                  If we’re going to have the superheroes, they’re going to be us, so I guess it depends how badly we want them.

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        I’m ootl, what monopolies got broken up? I tried looking it up but it’s not returning results.

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        He could have ran on it more. Trump understands the art of putting his name on the checks.

        Call Americans stupid, and we are, but I wish the party that was helping people was a bit more grandious and better about messaging then they are.

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          It’s also pretty hard to point to things and go “see? remember the thing we did 10 years ago? this is the effect it had!”

          Many of Biden’s policies will come to fruition during the next term and Trump will falsely claim responsibility because he can point to it right away.

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        So its a good thing that Biden used the SEC to break up monopolies

        The election is over you can stop lying

        implement things like click-to-cancel

        Oh fuck yeah an unsubscribe link on spam emails! America is back, baby!

        O BEAUTIFUL FOR SPACIOUS SKIES

        invested 5 trillion dollars in the middle class and green energy manufacturing

        I said you could stop lying. Fucking infuriating how cynical liberals are when constructing their fantasy world.

        You’re taking credit for the bad bill that was supposed to be passed along with the good bill.

        Except the point of separating them was to only pass the bad bill. (remember when Elizabeth “Redface” Warren RAN on pulling this shit on you?)

        So now you take the full price tag of the bad bill and pretend it was for good things. Remember what we called it when we called the other bill (again, the fucking ghouls, with maximum cynicism) ‘the green new deal’? We called it the ‘toll road bill’.

        You’re warping reality and history.

        Oh and he also tried to

        Love when liberals take credit for not doing good things, Remember when they “tried” to raise the minimum wage but were stonewalled by an instantly fire-able employee?

        pass student debt relief but kept being stonewalled by repugnants.

        Again, as was said to you thousands of times but you were too obstinate to acknowledge: he didn’t need congress. He could have literally thrown away the paperwork if he wanted to. Somehow the previous president had the authority to halt the loans but when the senator from MBNA took office that power suddenly didn’t exist?

        You know better and you’re pretending not to.

        Biden was the first president to turn away from neoliberalism

        Because you want to live in a fantasy world that would shatter upon literally a single fact being thrown into it

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          This by the way is a perfect example of how the democratic party never learns from its mistakes. Because the adults are no longer in the room and the children believe all the lies they were told growing up

          Same thing happened with the republicans, just 20 years ago

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      And people with exactly that mindset voted for Trump, despite his vowing to make everything worse with every single policy stance.

      • Raise your taxes while cutting for the Rich (AGAIN)

      • Tariffing many sectors and countries, making goods more expensive and destroying US manufacturing

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          Actually no, Trump deported and convicted less than Obama and Biden. Trump’s removal of holding time limitations for women and children and his removal of ICE’s criminal only focus meant resources were used up and almost always wasted.

          Trump is ineffective at everything he claims to be good for.

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            Are we talking about what he did last time or what he said he’s going to do this time?

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              His plans supposedly haven’t changed, just a repeat of last time but more and worse.

              He even already tried to overturn the election once before when he sent 84 fake electors to 7 states in 2020.

              He has repeatedly told us he is going to do everything he did before, again.

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        I mean, not really, but it’s only $10 so sure.

        Thank you, your $10/week subscription has been confirmed. Please call 10AM-3PM Eastern to upgrade or cancel your payment. We apologize in advance for the unusually long wait times.

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    Americans are misinformed because the media has been destroyed by financial incentives and the capital class.

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    Let voters get what they deserve.

    Republican voters are the biggest simps for big business that I’ve ever seen. It’s like if slaves in America cheered on the confederacy during the Civil War.

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    Because Americans are some of the stupidest people in the world.

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      What, the country with all the resources but still ranks 36th in literacy and 54% of their adults can’t even read above a 6th grade level?

      Literacy info.

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        i need this information to start being treated as the act of oppression it is rather than the “americans dumb lol” framing i see even in leftist spaces.

        americans, and disproportionately minority americans, are being intentionally refused education in the same way they are refused medical care—in service of cost cutting and privatization interests rather than public wellbeing and economic wellness.

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          Lee Atwater full interview told the real reason for the dumbing down of America. Two younger family members went through four years of prestigious private universities, and neither had ever read classic literature, let alone discuss main themes and philosophical implications, which is sad, since Shakespeare still addresses basic and timeless western human conditions, and I daresay the reach may be broader than that.

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            i think there’s a bit more to the story than that but sure haha

            edit: looked him up and he was an adviser to reagan? ew.

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              Idk if this is the same guy, but iirc someone did an interview tell-all where they basically came clean and admitted to all the fucked up shit they helped their administration do.

              So yeah, undoubtedly ew, but I’m guessing that’s what they’re talking about.

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        And we thought the internet would solve or at least help this. Little did we know…

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          I feel like it’s simply widened the divide that was already present. There have always been people that care and people that don’t but now the people that care have the resources to do something about it and the people that don’t have easy access to that which reinforces their lack of caring.

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            Excellent summary of the internet’s potential for both help and harm. At this point, I’m not convinced the net result isn’t negative.

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          Hey man, we can post slurs online while taking a shit or look at porn any time. What else would we use the internet for?

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          Yep. I remember those days. I remember hearing Douglas Rushkoff [1] on a podcast or something about how he and others around his same age were seeing the dawn of the (privatized) Internet along with the flourishing of the rave scene, and so on and thought it had all this promise and it gave me such a huge amount of nostalgia.

          Instead, we have things like Youtube influencers peddling some of the very worst things you’d want kids to watch and algorithms that push it to them.

          [1] Jaron Lanier has written pretty well about some of the same aspects.

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          As someone who turned off autocorrect fifteen years ago and cares about things like spelling, grammar, and compostion I can pretty confidently say that emojis have many valid uses. Text, especially quick text, is not very good at conveying subtle meaning in a clear way. Emojis though? They do amazingly, especially when it’s a face, because in normal conversations we have body language and even over the phone we can clearly convey a tone of voice. Body language is the emoji library of face-to-face communication.

          TL;DR: emojis are popular because they’re highly effective.

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            But honestly, I admire the fact that you care about grammar, spelling, and such. This seems not very rare on Lemmy, but is otherwise a rare sight

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      By design. About a century ago, Rockefeller turned the public school system into a mindless factory worker production machine. Republicans have been reducing funding for decades since.

      They only want high school graduates to be smart enough to run the machines. College tuition paywalls real education. As AI improves, the bar lowers further. Public schools will be continually defunded or converted to a voucher system in order to exclude even more citizens.

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        Republicans decided back in the late 70s and early 80s that the public was too educated (and too hard to control) so they decided to do something about it. 45y of slashed education funding and standards later here we are.

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        They only want high school graduates to be smart enough to run the machines.

        Nothing new. Jim & Jesse even did a song about it years ago.

        The company owned the houses And the company owned the grammar school You’ll never see an educated cotton mill man They figure you don’t need to learn Anything but how to earn

        The money that you pay upon demand To the general store they own Or else they’ll take away your home And give it to some other homeless Cotton mill man

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      Fun fact, the average American public school education doesn’t include critical thinking skills in the language curriculum. You either get your introduction to this in AP English (if you’re a high scoring highschooler) or during your first year of college/university.

      It’s mind blowing how many people can’t pick apart a given piece of media and think about what message it conveys and why it conveys it.

      So yeah, Americans are ripe for manipulation.

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        I think not stressing critical thinking skills is not a bug, but a feature, of schools that were designed to crank out factory workers.

        It’s sheer lunacy in today’s world, but it also happens to be a feature for the qon/Republican agenda.

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          It’s sheer lunacy in today’s world, but it also happens to be a feature for the qon/Republican agenda.

          Redundant statements are redundant.

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      I hate to hear this myself but there’s a global rebuke against incumbents of all shapes and sizes literally everywhere, in response to inflation.

      So by definition, everyone is stupid in countries that have rebounded well because they’re doing the same.

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      The media that they choose to consume is the problem. It plays down the accomplishments of “the enemy” and plays up the hardships and failures like “rampant illegals” and constantly rising food prices. I blame “stupid Americans” less than I blame manipulative billionaires that control media consumption.