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Summary
U.S. Muslim leaders who supported Trump to protest Biden’s stance on Gaza and Lebanon now feel betrayed by Trump’s pro-Israel Cabinet picks.
His appointments of Marco Rubio as Secretary of State, Mike Huckabee as ambassador to Israel, and Elise Stefanik as UN ambassador have drawn sharp criticism, with some accusing the administration of pursuing “Zionist overdrive” and “neoconservative” priorities.
Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the “Abandon Harris” campaign and co-founded “Muslims for Trump,” and Rexhinaldo Nazarko, executive director of AMEEN, feel betrayed by broken promises of peace.
“It’s like he’s going on Zionist overdrive,” said Nazarko, adding, “it does look like our community has been played.”
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If only there was any way to have seen this coming based on literally every single thing he’s said and done over the last decade!
It’s so sad, but pointing this out as an obvious consequence would have been bullying. of course, and immediately shot down as such.
It’s insane, honestly. An old coworker of mine who I sometimes stay in touch with is Muslim, and a Trump supporter. I’ve tried to figure out why, since Trump has never shown any meaningful support of Muslims, and all he could say is that the economy was good under Trump. Like… was having gas be $0.08 cheaper really worth having your actual family banned from entering the country? Not only was he already living paycheck-to-paycheck under Trump and still under Biden, but he was literally directly affected by Trump’s Muslim ban. I don’t know how you justify that with yourself.
“It’s like he’s going on Zionist overdrive,” said Nazarko, adding, “it does look like our community has been played.”
You literally played yourself. No help from Trump. I can’t think of a single goddamn thing he’s said that was even vaguely pro-Palestine. Jesus Christ.
I have utmost dislike in saying this, but: “ha, suckers”
No ‘ha’ here from me. It’s just sad. And infuriating.
I actually think it was Russia pushing a lot of this again. It’s exactly what they did to us Bernie supporters the last time we got the trump
This just in: Those who fucked around, found out. More at 11.
Doesn’t his Sec of Defense nominee have a Deus Vult tattoo? Yeah, that doesn’t bode well…
kagis
https://forward.com/fast-forward/675325/pete-hegseth-tattoos-christian-crusades-trump/
One of Hegseth’s most prominent tattoos is a large Jerusalem cross on his chest, a symbol featuring a large cross potent with smaller Greek crosses in each of its four quadrants. The symbol was used in the Crusades and represented the Kingdom of Jerusalem that the Crusaders established.
Hegseth also has “Deus Vult,” Latin for “God wills it,” tattooed on his bicep. The phrase was used as a rallying cry for the First Crusade in 1096. It is also the closing sentence of Hegseth’s 2020 book, titled “American Crusade.”
Hegseth also has a cross and sword tattooed on his arm, which he says represents a New Testament verse. The verse, Matthew 10:34, reads, “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
He later added “Yeshua,” or Jesus in Hebrew, under the sword. Hegseth told the site Media Ink in a 2020 interview that the tattoo was Jesus’ Hebrew name, which he mistakenly said was “Yehweh,” a Biblical spelling of God’s name. He told Media Ink that he got the tattoo while in Bethlehem, Jesus’ birthplace, which is located in the present-day West Bank, where he was reporting for Fox Nation.
“Israel, Christianity and my faith are things I care deeply about,” Hegseth told Media Ink.
Hegseth opposes the two-state solution and supports exclusive Israeli sovereignty in the Holy Land. He has also said the idea of rebuilding the biblical Temple on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount is a “miracle” that could happen in our lifetimes. The First and Second Temples stood on a site where the Dome of the Rock, an Islamic shrine, now stands.
Hegseth expressed these views in a 2018 speech delivered in Jerusalem at a conference organized by the right-wing Israel National News, also known as Arutz Sheva.
The speech laid out a vision of a world beset by a growing darkness that can only be saved by the United States, Israel and fellow “free people” from other countries.
The amusing thing is that OP’s article didn’t even get to him because it was talking about other nominations.
Idiots.
Deep down, I knew something was off about that face-eating leopard I adopted.
How much longer can the leopards keep eating faces?
I heard leopards are getting obese on eating so many faces
As long as they want because there will always be stupid people who believe them.
If only there was a way to know that trump would fuck them. Of course you would have to be prescient.
This should be in !nottheonion@lemmy.world.
Maybe !leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world is better
Trump’s peace promises…
You can’t have conflict if only one side survives…
I’d like to think Trump & Co don’t think that way.
I’d like to.
Lol
Ain’t nobody hate Muslims more than Muslims.
Sure seems weird that this level of glee over predictable bad things happening seem hyperfocused on the racial out group with the best reason to vote emotionally.
Then maybe they should have listened when they were told that this was the exact literal consequence of voting emotionally.
And people in the community were warning for months that this was the consequence of refusing to denounce genocide. But somehow you only want to blame the racial and religious out group who can’t even be credibly blamed for losing the election. You guys were claiming for months they weren’t important and should be ignored, and now that the election is over and the thing Democratic leaders were warning of happened, suddenly it’s all their fault?
And people in the community were warning for months that this was the consequence of refusing to denounce genocide
And they were told, repeatedly, that Trump would be worse. Guess what happens now?
But somehow you only want to blame the racial and religious out group who can’t even be credibly blamed for losing the election.
Trump improved his margin across nearly every single demographic, so there’s plenty of blame to go around. But in a comment thread about Muslim voters feeling buyer’s remorse, I’m not going to talk about the white men who get fed shit from the manosphere podcast space, or the ghost of Phyllis Schlafly infecting women across this country to vote for the party that wants to take their rights away, or that when Trump was talking about Latino immigrants he was talking about them and not those other immigrants. It’s called “context.”
You guys were claiming for months they weren’t important and should be ignored
Nope, didn’t say that. I said that when your choice is token lip service about maybe stopping Palestinian genocide, and making the genocide worse, that you should vote for the former, because otherwise you’ll get the latter. Which is what happened. Congratulations, you told the Dems you weren’t going to vote for them, and now are surprised they ignored what you wanted.
Congratulations, you told the Dems you weren’t going to vote for them, and now are surprised they ignored what you wanted.
This is such a completely broken and backward way to think about politics, but even so, the entire time representatives from that community (Democrats trying to get Harris elected) were trying to get them to do anything to head this off. At no point was there a “well, we’re just never going to vote for you so look elsewhere”, but that didn’t stop the campaign for prioritizing literal Republicans over previously Democratic constituencies with unsurprisingly bad results.
And I am a non-Muslim Harris voter, but this liberal tendency to blame minorities for the failures of existing power structures cannot be suppressed.
I personally agreed with undecided in principle and was sympathetic that Harris largely ignored them. The problem is that trying to leverage their position for actual good policy outcomes made for this nasty prisoner’s dilemna situation where both parties chose the bad option.
I honestly thought that they’d eventually come around because of just how bad Trump was going to be for democracy, and moreover for the people they cared about. Sadly, they were so devoted to their game of chicken that some of their loved ones will pay for it.
I also don’t think it’s that callous to engage in a little bit of “I fucking told you so.”
Most people I saw here were just trying to achieve the most favourable outcome, given the reality at the time.
I honestly thought that they’d eventually come around because of just how bad Trump was going to be for democracy, and moreover for the people they cared about. Sadly, they were so devoted to their game of chicken that some of their loved ones will pay for it.
The problem in this is that you can substitute either the Harris campaign or the Muslim voters for “they”, and far too few people are applying it to the people with power. It seems inconceivable to these people that politicians actually need to address the concerns of the people they want to vote for them. They’re like some sort of unknowable force without agency or responsibility. It’s always the little guy’s fault for not coming around to the whims of the politician.
What makes it all worse is that on one side you have a population with good reason to be acting emotionally and the other you have someone just making a calculation that they just didn’t think they were worth it. Everyone shares blame for this result, but I get acting emotionally when you’re being ignored by power while they send weapons to kill your families. I don’t have any grace for sociopathic Democrats who would rather chase Republicans than take a moral stance for a constituency that voted for them in the past.
The problem in this is that you can substitute either the Harris campaign or the Muslim voters for “they”
Lol! You’re absolutely right. From my point of view, though, the democratic party is so fully captured and out of touch with actual issues that they’re beyond being reasoned with, so it should almost go without saying who I’m referring to. And yes, I acknowledge how completely fucked that is.
They’ve created this absolutely monstrous situation where we always have to choose between letting people we care about get hurt, or a tiny glimmer of hope of something better, and even though I pushed to avoid the former, I’m fully sympathetic to both sides.
seem hyperfocused
My dude my feed is literally just leopards eating faces right now. It will continue to be for the next four years. Trump’s presidency only benefits the worst of our society, it will just take some voters longer to feel the pain than others
In my feed this story has shown up multiple times (more than any other group), each with a cavalcade of engagement, and “haha, more genocide” statements show up on every story about Palestine. They’re the group with the best excuse for “well that was dumb, but I get it” (their families are literally being killed by American weapons), but despite being marginalized as small and unimportant for months are now being covered as the post facto cause of failure, without anyone even recognizing that this was being predicted by Democratic party members well in advance as the obvious result of just trying to ignore the genocide.
but despite being marginalized as small and unimportant for months are now being covered as the post facto cause of failure,
Where are they blamed for the failure of the campaign here, again?
without anyone even recognizing that this was being predicted by Democratic party members well in advance as the obvious result of just trying to ignore the genocide.
The obvious result was that a not-insignificant part of the country is stupid enough to vote for ‘more genocide’ instead of less?
The whole premise of this being a news story, and a story that receives reliable engagement and gets injected into every story about Lebanon and Palestine is that these votes of these people have meaningfully caused the problems we’re all going to experience. A similar amount of ink is not being spread about any other group, and certainly not about all the mundane white assholes who have been voting for the people who harm their communities year after year.
And be honest, we’re looking at like 5% more genocide than Biden. We aren’t exactly going from Gandhi to Hitler on this issue. The Harris opportunity was always a secret hope that she was better than what she was willing to say. And like, a hope is better than none at all, but if she just followed what she said and didn’t change anything, none of us would be seriously asking ourselves how we could have missed the signs.
There are over a million Gazans still alive. That is a very large number of people barely hanging on from starvation that can still be mercilessly wiped out. You really sure about that 5% figure?
Biden literally isn’t stopping the starvation tactic now. There was a red line, they crossed it, and he said “nevermind”. So what exactly is going to be different under Trump? From another story, Trump is going to release the 2000 lb. bomb shipments. It’s literally the only thing Biden has denied them. I’d estimate 5% is the difference is between killing people with starvation, disease, and 500 lb. bombs and starvation, disease, and 2000 lb. bombs.
I hope I’m wrong, but I expect the difference being going from a small handful of aid trucks a day to zero aid trucks a day. That would be a big difference to the people of Gaza.
The whole premise of this being a news story, and a story that receives reliable engagement and gets injected into every story about Lebanon and Palestine is that these votes of these people have meaningfully caused the problems we’re all going to experience.
That’s a lot of reading in to a common post-election story of buyer’s remorse that’s all over the place, about multiple demographics, right now.
And be honest, we’re looking at like 5% more genocide than Biden.
Lord.
Junkies’ll do some crazy shit for some o’ that sweet, sweet righteous indignation…
