Remember when you had the 2nd International, huge marxist parties like the SPD in Germany, all saying they would never support an imperialist war and were true marxists, and then when WW1 began they all sold out and supported the war? Good times. Very few, like Vladimir Lenin, Rosa Luxembourg and Eugene Debs, remained true to marxism and opposed the war. Well i think a similar situation is happening now with the SMO in Ukraine.

From “democratic socialists” to MLs to maoists to anarchists, they all said they would never support US imperialism, they would never support a new Iraq WMD lie. And yet, when the SMO began and the west started demonizing Russia and beating the drums of war, most of these ostensibly “leftist” figures, especially western figures, sold out and supported the antirussian histeria. From BreadTube to YoungTurks to maoists like Marxist Paul to anarchists, they all sold out. Even some principled MLs like Second Thought and Hakim have shied away from condemning this war histeria and supporting Russia. I think this will be the collapse of the 2nd International of our era, the new divide between true antiimperialists and sellouts.

What are your thoughts?

    • SpaceCowboy@lemmygrad.ml
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      Didn’t you know that every nation is an imperialist? Seriously, they sound like anarchists.

      “OH!! YOU TRADE INTERNATIONALLY!!! IMPERIALIST!!!”

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        Red anarchists be like: yes cuba is in the camp of soviet social imperialism. We must uphold gonzalo and his assassination of peasants and feminist organizers as the correct way to mass line.

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      That’s an issue with a lot of western MLs. It’s very anti-intellectual and shows a lack of understanding material conditions.

      Also why would I trust someone who doesn’t know what imperialism actually is?

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        He keeps quoting Lenins definition of imperialism without even understanding it. Lenin says that in imperialism monopolies, finance and the export of capital DOMINATE the economy. Thus, Russia and Iran arent imperialist. Marxist Paul says that if monopolies, finance or export of capital exist, then its imperialism, which would make most countries worldwide imperialist lmfao