Remember when you had the 2nd International, huge marxist parties like the SPD in Germany, all saying they would never support an imperialist war and were true marxists, and then when WW1 began they all sold out and supported the war? Good times. Very few, like Vladimir Lenin, Rosa Luxembourg and Eugene Debs, remained true to marxism and opposed the war. Well i think a similar situation is happening now with the SMO in Ukraine.

From “democratic socialists” to MLs to maoists to anarchists, they all said they would never support US imperialism, they would never support a new Iraq WMD lie. And yet, when the SMO began and the west started demonizing Russia and beating the drums of war, most of these ostensibly “leftist” figures, especially western figures, sold out and supported the antirussian histeria. From BreadTube to YoungTurks to maoists like Marxist Paul to anarchists, they all sold out. Even some principled MLs like Second Thought and Hakim have shied away from condemning this war histeria and supporting Russia. I think this will be the collapse of the 2nd International of our era, the new divide between true antiimperialists and sellouts.

What are your thoughts?

  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 years ago

    There is little to gain in engaging in discourse because everyone will agree with the basics until things get more specific and then it is the typical orientalism that starts flowing, or a hyper-moralized geopolitics.

    Well put!

    Does it constantly feel like you’re being concern trolled? Where you have a conversation and everyone agrees e.g. racism is bad, then you mention how capitalism is racial and we need to fight imperialism and they quickly change tune when they realise you mean things need to change for everyone if we’re to solve anything?