Comes as NO SURPRISE
Their level of cruelty is just expected now, huh. Sad times.
I dont think these people realize how close they are to being ripped apart in the street by an angry mob…and I kind of hope they don’t realize it until its too late.
The only thing getting ripped apart are his pants so they can kiss his ass raw
You’re way more optimistic than me about the future of America.
For real. I talk with my friends about the tipping point, and this unfortunately ain’t it by a mile. MAGAts don’t make up the entirety of R voters, but not one MAGAt would give a shit if D voters started getting rounded up. It’s been an incredibly thorough brainwashing effort by whoever spearheaded the effort. R used to mean small government, states rights! Now it means fuck Joe Biden, fuck your feelings, fuck work culture. And it all feels like it happened so fast. Say what you want about Bush, but the sentiment among those who voted for him wasn’t this open hostility that we have today.
The angry mob came when they didn’t win the election 4 years ago.
Really? The people affected by this wanted this turd in the office or at least didn’t have a problem enough with him to go vote for someone else.
Because the people who need this money are leading rough, rough lives already and often don’t have the time or energy to properly learn politics. They’re the kind of people who can’t afford to miss work or looking after their family to vote.
They’re victims of their circumstances and now they’re going to suffer more for it. They’re not the enemies here.
Socialism for the Rich. Rugged individualism for the Poor.
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I don’t understand why do people upvote this.
Fuck so-called socialism, anarchism, communism and other far-left or extreme ideologies, and collectivism too (where everyone is poor).
Individualism made living for the people better. Democracies were based on individualism (and liberalism), where they care about every person.
What do you need is to not to build another system, but to make rule of law and regulations strong. In the EU, for example, and around the world, there is problem not in social democracy/liberal democracy, but with economic inequality.
But you’re just want to trick Americans to another utopia, fairytales like “capitalism = evil”. It will eventually turn into chaos, tyranny, and then there will dictator after dictator. Again, there will be small group of rich people, who will be oppress everyone, deprive food from them, don’t care about basic needs of population. They will steal resources from the country, but regular people in the country will be poor.
Look at Russia or China, where they also thought that all problems with
If individualism is so great and socialism so horrible why do the rich get constant support from the government? Shouldn’t they be the best at being individuals? Why is it the poor are expected to make do with little to no help? But the rich walk into the upper reaches of government for simply graduating high school?
You say if we get rid of our economic system it will cause a resurgence of a small ruling elite who will oppress everyone, deprive them of food. And they won’t care about the basic needs of the population. Did you not see Trump turn off Medicaid? Have you not checked the grocery prices lately?
You also make the mistake of an either/or fallacy. It’s either unregulated capitalism, or centrally planned communism. But that’s just not how the world works. For example we can have a market economy with government administered health, education, telecoms, and mass transit. A guaranteed job program is not incompatible with private industry.
Finally, you responded to a sarcastic remark about how our country treats the different classes with this utterly crap take that ironically demonstrates the exact problem. The second someone mentions the dreaded S word the woodworks bleed people running to shout about Totalitarian rule like we would be forced to give up Democracy. All to defend the system that supports people who were born with a silver spoon and oppresses those born into a family of debt.
As a note - Something to think about, the Annual US GDP is 27 Trillion dollars. Evenly split among all adults that’s over 100,000 dollars. Hardly poverty…
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LMFAO, WHAT BENEFITS?!?!?
While I agree the US does a fraction of what they could: Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
WIC
HUD
ESG
COC
Department of Education
The list goes on and on. If you think there aren’t a LOT of social programs that they can cut, you are in for a very, very rough time.
I sympathize with the commentor who you are responding to although I know my present crap life could always get worse and probably will. Just doesn’t feel like much to lose
Buddy, I’m being sarcastic here. I KNOW they’re gonna destroy tons of public services like that. The cruelty is the point.
Hmm interesting how all the efficiency that they are introducing requires cutting benefits. Almost as if they were pleasing the 1% or something.
almost as if it were billionaires working for the benefit of other billionaires…
Idk how it hasn’t occurred to these billionaires yet that some of those few benefits are what keeping people from going full Luigi. They keep fucking around.
This is dumb, you can do America First policies and have FDR-type socialism, or Nordic model policies, together. American permanent residents and citizens should get benefits they pay for via their taxes. Simple.
America is the land of wealth not well-being. Would you want to live out your retirement in America or Denmark?
It is dumb, as long as your goal is to be as rich as possible and not be as powerful as possible
You will generate better profit from a rich population; they’ll also advocate for your business if you openly support their ascension, and you’d lose nothing in profits by doing so
But you do lose power. Power over people, and the benefit of doubt that the government won’t strike down on you if you appease, and the people will have more important shit to focus on now that their benefits are gone
Both parties did this, republicans can do it more outwardly without causing a split in parties
Don’t forget the new tax plan also includes tax increases for us plebs too!
Cut benefits, increase payments! Good job Magoos!
But the price for food is down… It is, right?
Its going to double or tripple if we deport or scare half the ag workforce away and don’t offer an exorbitant wage to do the time sensitive work leading to food rotting
He’ll probably just use prisoners.
National sales tax incoming.
Don’t start giving Mango Mussolini any ideas.
What do you think Tariffs are? It’s the Trump Sales Tax.
Yup and expect some things to get expensive starting as early as this Saturday:
I thought the Trump sales tax was the $64B crypto rug-pull he did on his sycophants.
Oh they’ve been proposing that for years.
Oh I know, just making jokes to compensate for the crushingly depressive state of things.
cutting taxes for the wealthy could risk damaging the populist image that Trump has cultivated.
It’s never seemed to damage his image with his supporters before. He could hold them down and shit into their mouths and they’d find a reason to think it was an ok thing to do
He wouldn’t need to hold them down. They would be lining up for it.
Many of his supporters don’t consider themselves poor or middle-class, they consider themselves pre-millionaires.
When I was a kid, I was told that “The American Dream” was a house and two cars. At some point along the way, that morphed into “anyone can be a millionaire.”
Have it. Don’t want it. New American dream is to be able to fuck off in the woods for weeks at a time, and still have medical care.
Probably about the time it started taking a million dollars to comfortably maintain a house and two cars…
That’s because in many places you need to be a millionaire to get that two story ranch style house and 2 cars made in the last 5 years.
He’s feeding the poor!!
To the rich. 🫤
Let them eat eggs.
I knew this would happen and loads of people on lemmy accused me of “fearmongering” or “only caring about myself” when I said I’d vote Harris
With me, at least, they have moved on to, “you care more about your gay daughter than Palestinians!” Which… yeah. That’s called parenting. Along with, “why are you worried about a queer genocide that hasn’t happened yet?!” Because I don’t want to chance it? People can be such assholes.
It’s like yeah.
If both candidates mean gaza is fucked, but one of them means hundreds of thousands of extra unnecessary deaths to disabled people, homeless people, migrants, poor people, queer and trans people etc.
Of fucking course I’ll pick the least bad option instead of being apathetic about it. Especially since I’m a disabled poor person who has had bouts of homelessness.
These same people do not seem to understand that “least bad option” does not mean “good option.” Some of them are now justifying it by saying Harris supports genocide but all Trump supports is ethnic cleansing. Seriously.
I have always taken the advice of W.C. Fields: “I never vote for, only against.” Because there has never been a politician in my adult life that I would have voted for in a general presidential election. Or even a senatorial election,
Same. I’m an anarchist. I don’t believe in this distorted liberal democratic system that seems to benefit the elite no matter the outcome.
But I sure as hell am going to exercise my right to vote. It being a shitty system where I have little power doesn’t mean I should throw away the power I do have!
“Kamala Harris is not the perfect progressive candidate in every way. How can I possibly vote for her? I’ll sit this one out. That’ll show 'em!”
Trump won because the people that voted for him actually like him, they aren’t choosing the lesser of two evils or whatever nonsense. The democrats message of “at least we aren’t as bad” was awfully inspiring.
Hey democrats, if you win what will you do with that power? Change nothing? Cool!
Blame the democrats for getting tight lipped about literally anything anyone cared about.
You didn’t listen - they talked about corporations buying houses, the middle class disappearing, being unable to live on minimum wage, expanding medical for people that need it.
The idea that a political party will change just because they lost because they weren’t exactly where you wanted is also ignorant. That’s never a guarantee. Otherwise we would currently be living in utopia. Maybe it will cycle back, by the time we’re all dead
People need to accept that the electoral system in the US is just a trolley problem at the end of the day unfortunately.
Not quite.
For starters it didn’t use to be a choice of “who would you rather see killed” - or in other words, nothing was forever lost if one side won instead of the other - and beyond that it has always been a cyclical choice, so it made sense for voters who felt insufficiently catered to, to punish a side on one cycle to try and get it to offer a better deal on the next cycle.
Whether that remains the case - i.e. will Trump make himself dictator for life - is the big question.
That’s true but I didn’t mean it as a choice of who you’d rather see killed, just that the system is set up in such a way that as a rational voter you are forced into a situation where you must act to prevent the worst outcome rather than voting for your interests and what you believe in.
Basically, and people let ‘the enemy of perfect get in the way of good enough’. Progress is incremental unfortunately. That’s just how it is. We can accept that, or we get this crap.
not really close to ‘good enough’ but least bad
This is exactly the fucking problem, if it’s not perfect enough then people allow it to get worse instead.
The only way a political party changes is when they stop winning.
If Democrats think they will win by being Republicans who hate the gays a little bit less, then that is what they’ll do. They were just shown that that isn’t a winning strategy, so we’ll see if the party changes tack or doubles down.
“You monster, it is your fault you gave us Trump”
I make my voting preferences known in every primary, state, and federal election. I actively volunteer for candidates I like. The party knows what will earn my vote, if they wanted it. If they make the strategic bet that getting my vote will cost them more from somewhere else, then that is on them.
“That is so entitled, how could you”
Have you ever considered that the reason both parties seem so out of touch with mainstream thought is because they have 10s of millions of people who will vote regardless of policy, thereby preventing the parties from understanding what is actually effective in getting them votes?
Elections are an information gathering mechanism.
You seem to think there will be real elections again rather than the type they have in Russia now that Republicans control all three branches of government.
I’m not sure why. Do you think they will ever willingly give up power?
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Your vote was meaningless? Even in local elections? You sat out the whole thing because of the top of the ticket?
At this point the trolley problem is "would you like to vote for killing 1000 per year for the next four years or would you like to vote for killing 4000 people this year with the hope that maybe it’ll cause the whole trolley system to self destruct…? (The numbers are purely illustrative).
Edit: apparently it’s not obvious that I think these are both horrible options, and I voted for the limping painfully along for an extended period.
Making things worse based on the idiotic hope that it might somehow magically spark things to get better is the absolute dumbest fucking idea one can have.
That isn’t how trolleys work.
If by “trolley system to self-destruct” you mean violent revolution and a new system of government imperfect in a completely different way, yes. Good luck with the wait.
That’s exactly what I mean, and I agree that it sounds awful. It’s like people go into these conversations deciding which side the other person is on based on which they can argue the most with.
At least you’re honest about this half-baked excuse for a plan
Got a better one?
I don’t need an excuse. I voted against the horror that is unfolding right now.
I voted for her because she was the lesser evil, but describing her as just “not the perfect progressive candidate in every way” is a gross misrepresentation. She was probably the most right leaning Democratic candidate to run in a general election and was openly adopting many of the Republican stances. There were basically two Republicans running.
Single issue voters are the reason the USA is now a dictatorship building concentration camps. That’s not an opinion.
Really? She was to the right of the Clintons? Obama? John Kerry, even? I think you have a selective memory.
There were basically two Republicans running.
Fucking absurd. There is a reason you don’t name one specific
That’s nuts. “Only voting for yourself” is usually a trump vote. Generally, a Left-wing voter asks “What’s best for everyone?” and a Right-wing voter asks “What’s best for me?”
Of course, the Democrat party isn’t left-wing (more like middle-right) but still, it’s a far less selfish vote than trump.
I don’t know about your life, but my life is made better by the acceptance and participation of all sorts of people. I’m selfishly voting for Democrats because I have 4 daughter and a gay son.
My wife and I make enough money and I could be happy on less if it improved the environment around me by improving the lives of the people I share the world with. Those brown people would be a hell of a lot less scary to us white people if so many of them weren’t in desperate financial straits, and if we didn’t teach them to expect hatred and cruelty from us.
I’m a selfish-as-fuck-left-wing-voter.
Amen brother, a rising tide raises all ships
The country already has too many homeless, this would make it worse.
Why would you be homeless when you could just
perform slave laborgrow organic lettuce on aisolated off-the-gridtech-freecampfarm in Kansas?That’s the plan for people “addicted” to (prescribed) amphetamines and ssri’s, right? What is that, like, 1 in 3 millennials? (no shade I’m in that group)
Why not
sendoffer the homeless to go there too, if it’s so great?
If you slash OUR services, then you slash OUR taxes. You want to save the rich money, stop spending their taxes on bombs to rip the legs of little kids in Palestine, you ain’t spending my money on propping up their system, you’re using my money to help US citizens first. I’ll set an appointment with the cheese turd, might execute his secret service first just so he fuckibg listens for once. Also it’s not illegal to threaten secret service like it is the president. Hi secret service guy, I look forward to beating you to death so I can get to your boss for a genuine conversation where he realizes he is not all that powerful without you idiots pointing guns for him. See you soon shit squat.
