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    Whenever I see a poll about Russian public opinion, I think about people like this teacher. How can people have truly formed their own opinions when public debate gets your life ruined, or worse?

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      yes!

      whenever ppl try to point out that hey, maybe a state-funded agency directly asking people potentially incriminating questions with serious prison time in the streets (not even accounting for the respondent biases of polling methods themselves), isn’t the most reliable metric to measure something, you get called a paid troll or something

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        You could say that for any number of things. LGBTQ people are treated as lesser everywhere, but there’s a pretty material difference between the US or Europe (provides legal protections) and Saudi Arabia (provides death). Just because they are on the same spectrum doesn’t mean they’re comparable.

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    Classic right-wing authoritarianism. Suppress news of war crimes and prevent history from being taught.

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        Ah yes, the simple school teacher who told his students about US war crimes

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          You know that I did not mean it like that. But you certainly chose to act like that. Do you have any worthwhile answer or insight for this topic?

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            Of course I believe Assange didn’t do anything wrong, and so his persecution is a terrible thing. The problem is the persecution of the Russian state against its own citizens as at a scope/level far greater than in the United States. The same is true for China and other despotic regimes in the world. USA isn’t wonderful by any means, it’s simply better than those, which is not hard to accomplish because that’s setting the bar as low as possible.

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              The USA is the most despotic regime in the world since the Nazis. Even before then they were the ones who encouraged such fascism! You don’t know a thing about despotic regimes if you don’t put the USA as the worst one.

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                I’m sorry, but this is simply a ridiculous claim. The most despotic regime wouldn’t tolerate publications like Jacobin Magazine. The CPC in contrast is so unwilling to allow criticism that it has erected a massive firewall and censorship system. Dissidents are routinely silenced. And the CPC is far from the worst out there, it just works on the largest scale.

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                  I’m sorry, but this is simply a ridiculous claim.

                  Sadly it is not. Read up on history of war crimes of the US. Read up on US interventions like overthrowing governments of other countries for power or resource gain. Read about the shit the FBI, CIA and NSA are doing since decaeds. Wikipedia can give you a good overview. You’ll easily find good articles on that.

                  It’s a fucking lot. Like… a serious fuck ton of “holy shit I didn’t know human beings can be THIS evil” material.

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                  Can you link one article from Jacobin that is such a scathing criticism that a despotic regime would not allow the publishing of?

                • 你怕是没看过B站上的网左,知乎上的神蛆和微博上的一群人,神蛆可以喊“支那人”还不被禁言,网左可以凭空捏造出各种数据证明中国要完而不被禁言。这已经是过于自由了,这些根本算不上批评,没有建设性的意见。你要对政府工作有什么意见,每个县级政府都有网站,去说就好了捏 我用中文反正你机翻了也看不懂捏

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                I live in a former Soviet country now and it’s obviously worse than the USA. Your claim about the USA being “the most despotic regime in the world” is utterly braindead.

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                  post-soviet? sounds like capitalism is your problem. I don’t give two shits about americans under america, thank you very much. Not when compared to the 7 billion other people who suffer from their country.

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              Imagine saying that with a straight face when US holds 20% of world’s population in prison and uses it as literal slave labor. That’s like the definition of a despotic regime.

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              We have to disagree on the “better” part. What the US did in the last 100 years, and continues to do, is nothing but the most extreme shit you can imagine. Over and over again, lies were used to start wars, and it’s not even a conspiracy theory, it’s in the fucking open. People just don’t care, because it’s so prevalent that people feel like they can’t do anything.

              Every evil has to be stopped. No matter if it is Russian or American.