Obviously Ukraine will be a lot smaller and diffrent looking on map by then. Sad to see Montengro, North Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Greece and Romania on wrong side :(

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    Literally no red nation will go to the blue but literally every blue nation is at risk of revolution in the coming decades and would then flip.

    The economic position of the West is going to become untenable. BTW the war has already begun, covid, economics, trade, and proxy wars. We will look back at the 2014 coup + the sanctions imposed on Russia as the beginning of the war and then 2022 as when the war began in earnest… imo.

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        I believe so. The aim of a war is to compel a nation to make a decision they would not make of their own volition (To quote Thomas Beaufort “Bloody constraint” - Henry V; Or as Clausewitz put it “war is politics by other means”). And that is what the sanctions, proxies, terrorist orgs, color revolutions, and propaganda campaigns and so forth are designed to do.

        The monetary policies and sanctions represent the financialization of war in much the same way that WWI represented the mechanization of war. Trade wars are no joke. Millions die.

        And I mean the US has been at war with China by funding the terrorists in Xinjiang for years… Just not openly at war.

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            Communism is assured to win comrade.

            Yeah I actually think the empire may go out with a whimper (no nukes) because the leadership is so incompetent and they would have such a hard time justifying a kinetic war to the population. They will turn to fascism domestically and the people will revolt or be liberated eventually imo.

            The average american literally never knew we were an empire at our height and so they will slowly inexplicably watch their quality of life deteriorate.

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              Yes. Also, what is up with Indians defending Isn’t real and blaming China 24/7 on internet? India is supposed to be based anti-imperialist country, and it is an ally of Russia, but what is up with attacking China and defening ISRAEL?

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                India is a massive target of Western propaganda/soft power. And unlike China, they have not had the political willpower to build a great firewall. Also, the british never really left. In fact some people say that Gandhi was a british agent designed to bring religion into the discussion of independence where it wasn’t before and that making the independence movement focus on hinduism was part of the British Architecture to divide and Conquer Pakistan and India. This would track with the way in which the Pakistani military and ISI can be seen almost as extensions of the UK then the US militaries. India is one of the most resource and population rich nations on earth, just like China and so the Brits were not about to give it up easily. The British have always used religion as a key part of socially engineering populations to create exploitable divisions (divide and conquer) beginning with their own and Irish populations.

                India is not a monolith and not all indians you see online represent India. Furthermore I don’t think that I would call india fully an ally of russia just yet. I would color India purple (and I might make Morocco Blue and turkey purple to a lesser extent)

                Final point, The internet is full of bots, and this is exactly the kind of sentiment they would leverage using astroturfing techniques… supporting Israel against their muslim neighbors.

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              I actually think the empire may go out with a whimper (no nukes) because the leadership is so incompetent and they would have such a hard time justifying a kinetic war to the population.

              I think there’s a different reason they won’t use nukes. The empire serves the interests of the capitalists, and capitalists make less money in a nuclear wasteland. Between a nuclear wasteland and a world where they can’t control the superpower, they’ll take the latter. It’s more profitable.

              It’s why China is surviving US hostility where the USSR didn’t. Deng’s “Lay low and develop the productive forces” strategy made SWCC like a virus that bypasses the immune system and gets into the vital organs. They can’t harm China without harming themselves.

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                Couldn’t agree more.

                The only thing I would add is that capitalists ought to have it’s own categories. The monopolists (primary sector and logistics) are having a field day gouging the shit out of people right now while other companies suffer bad. Overall though I agree with your assessment.

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    If shit does go down then 100% the fascist Austrians, Finns, Swiss and Swedes would want to join in. There is no neutrality among the “International community”

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      That, and I think there’s a pretty fair chance a number of the red countries would be neutral/uninvolved past symbolic support. There is still a major uphill battle and a lot of them benefit from conflict between major powers. They basically have their pick because they’re being courted hard.

      As much as I want to see Mexico on red side as well, there’s a pretty good chance they’re one of those above-mentioned.

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        Yes, Mexico is certainly not as staunchly anti imperialist as we would like. And India for example here is in my opinion the last truly neutral country out there, so it would be a stretch to see them take a side.

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    Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on the blue side is the dead giveaway here for any doubts about which colour is the good guys.

    You know that the West’s bleating about Human Rights concerns in China is lies when they turn a blind eye to what happens in Saudi Arabia, and the usual excuse of ‘economic concerns’ is vapid now when they clearly don’t care about the economic concerns of protracting the proxy war with Russia.

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    Greece is the quintissential NATO vassal. The left has been neutered after the Civil War, Junta repressions and post-Junta corrupt governments. It’s currently led by a millionaire heir to Nazi collaborators who dreams of becoming the new NATO secretary and turning Greece into a US colony.

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    What the fuck is up with Nigeria and Djibouti.

    Also: CHILE? FUCKING CHILE YES? THE ONE THE WEST HAS BEEN FUCKING WITH FOR DECADES NOW?

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      Boric stood with the US against Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela at the Summit of Americas while other Latin American countries boycotted the summit.

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    Indonesian on the red side is too optimistic actually. I’m indonesian, the current president want the best for the people and knew whats up, i think indonesia will stay neutral and will take advantage of the war for the people. Unless the president is changed because 2024 is his last year in office and its his second-term. Damn, i like Jokowi.

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        A zionist government that collaborated with french occupiers. The biggest obstacle to stability in North Africa and a traitor to the Palestinian cause.

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            The population is majority muslim, but the government has no problem being Zionist.

            It’s not the middle ages anymore. If it means they can share part of the superprofits, the Moroccan government will abandon any principles it had. This is true for other countries such as Saudi Arabia or even other terrorist groups.

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                Because Algeria and Libya had revolutions. There were a few attempts in Morocco but they were all defeated by the government of the ruling family which had become friends with the west since the start of the 20th century.