• stella@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    “There are no good guys with guns.”

    also

    “Cops are useless.”

    You see, this is why nobody takes sentiments like yours seriously. If you can’t defend yourself, and don’t have others to protect you, then you’ll always be at the mercy of whoever is the strongest.

    Something tells me all the ‘guns and cops are bad’ people don’t know how to fight.

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        1 year ago

        Yeah. That’s why you should have a gun to protect yourself.

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      1 year ago

      I don’t think cops are useless, I think they are a flawed institution that we as a society can fix by reforms. And I don’t even see the big deal in this, nothing is perfect, everything can be made better or more appropriate for the situation. Long run it would be better for police unions to agree to some changes in training, scope, and methods because it would restore and gain more public trust. And the public will benefit as well.

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      I don’t recall saying cops are useless. Are you sure you’re replying to the right person?

      The police do illustrate over and over again that even trained professionals make bad decisions when issued guns. And of course the solution isn’t to escalate things by raising the threat of officers being shot, but instead in finding ways to have less people with guns, so police aren’t on alert all the time and aren’t as tempted to use their guns as their only solution.

      As a thought experiment: If we gave every adult in the world access to fire the entire planet’s nuclear payload and destroy everyone, do you think we’d all be safer? Would the world even last 5 minutes?

      The more people you give access to deadly weapons, the more likely you are going to run into someone who is stupid, impulsive, or downright crazy and is going to use that weapon to harm themselves or others.

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        so police aren’t on alert all the time

        I got pulled over for not seeing a stop sign at night in a bad neighborhood. I remember the young cop watching my hands with the flashlight and the light was shaking slightly while I searched for my registration.

        That was not an enjoyable experience for me or him and it shouldn’t have to be anything except mildly annoying. He shouldn’t be thinking that I am ready to kill him and I shouldn’t be worried that he will make a mistake and me getting shot.

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        1 year ago

        I think you’re asking the wrong questions.

        You should be asking if society is safer if people have guns than if they don’t. Of course, answering this isn’t so simple because which society matters.

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            1 year ago

            Every developed nation with strict gun control is safer.

            Lots of rural America is still very underdeveloped. The only protection these people have from threats is the protection they can provide themselves.

            This is what I mean by ‘which society matters.’ There are many differences between nations than just their gun laws.

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          Society is never safer with guns, and the more society you have the fewer guns you need.

          If you live in barbarism, sure, you might need a gun, but barbarism is antithetical to a healthy society.