I had a lot of fun last night cruzing the fediverse on free speech extremist .
We’ve kinda built up a name brand here at wolf balls. Launching and keeping a instance up reliably for over three months with basically less than 5 minutes total downtime.
People don’t yet know how to use the fediverse. I feel like my marketing skills have grown after creating the character master of balls for videos.
This would be an easy expansion for us. I can use the same postgres instance. And market another technology.
What would you guys like to see on a twitter/gab like clone?
Even less censorship ? We could probably allow straight awful shit to be posted and not blacklist it seeing as it’s personal timeline content and users can block users.
Gab doesn’t fulfill my needs because its a walled off garden and it’s UI kinda sucks.
I don’t really trust other instances like free speech extremist. I don’t know if they will be here tomorrow.
What do you guys think?
Probably gonna do it anyways but I’m looking for input from users here to what they would actually use.
Go for it man! Been running my own Pleroma instance for a year or so (mostly myself and a handful of randoms who’ve dropped in) and it’s been a lot of fun. Setup is a breeze, there is very little maintenance required and it requires next to no resources. I’ll probably stay on my own instance but will definitely check out yours if you decide to go for it :)
Here’s a crazy concept… Could you do such an interface as Twitter/Gab that also does an interesting job categorizing things?
That would be different.
Like, what if I can share a BitChute vid… and months later, I want to find that vid… But I don’t want to go back through hundreds of tweets… Could you make it so that, without any setup, I would have a category of “BitChute links you’ve shared” ?
Also, if you want to do this instance better than others… Just make it so Bitchute & Odysee embeds are great. Hell, make it so Soundcloud, Mixcloud, Gab, etc. can be embedded easily.
Anything that provides more organization & structure is good.
I also am a stats junkie.
I would like to see a floating toggle-able dashboard. It’s hard sometimes to know where you are and where you can navigate to.
Static Page collections… What about being able to have a little dropdown on the side of your account that links to a series of static pages you work on…?
Some could be autogenerated: “Links <user> has shared” “Videos <user> has shared”
But it would be good to also have someone be able to be like
“Indian Food Project”
And they just throw up a static page of information they are posting related to the Indian food recipes/experiences they have.
This sounds very vague… Maybe I am not contributing positively but I am just throwing that out, lol.
One thing I have never seen is something that is actually more like an Instagram clone – which has been in the comments here below…
I kind of wonder what that would be like.
To be completely honest, I am not overly interested in another thing that looks like Twitter. I’ve literally done this half-a-dozen times now, I think.
I do like instagram. If not for fact checks and warnings. I could launch a pixilfed thingy. I dont like their tech stack at all though and this would fit nicely with wolfballs. Pleroma feels different enough to twitter to me. Iike actually a joy to use. no fact checks, no bull shit. Different UI’s. And you instantly get access to all the other fediverse users. It will just be a companion service and you will be able to see all your wolfballs post from their too. Some of the search features you are asking for probably already exist and i could write them if not that doesn’t sound hard.
Very cool - I look forward to whatever you do and am glad to help populate your projects
It’s awesome being here with you and feeling like I got a front row seat to the future of the free internet
I have never used girly sites like pinterest and i instagram, but then i’ve never used twitter either, but it stands to reason that every successful platform paradigm needs an alternative/free version.
It needs a catchy name, i don’t know what people would go for …“memetrucker” is too contentious, maybe just call it “pintagram” or “instarest” or something.
There’s Pixelfed which I’m pretty sure is supposed to be like a federated Instagram alternative. I’ve never used it or Instagram though so I couldn’t tell you how they stack up against one another.
…whoa bro. You are kind of blowing my mind again.
So much tech stack I had no idea about !
Do it, would love to see it !
You make a good point about UI.
“If you build, they will come” means making something that is easy to use and looks slick.
It also needs to be more international… Sure half of all users will likely be american, but the rest of the anglosphere is part of the same team with similar goals and values, even if they don’t talk funny like mrrcans seppos do (seppo -> septic tank -> yank).
What would you guys like to see on a twitter/gab like clone?
idk honestly I may have posted about it before but I don’t even think people need to necessarily do all that much different, just allow what the opposition doesn’t to some degree and give the platform a feel that it’s not the same as the other people
I’ve thought for a while that you could just start creating clones to leftist owned businessses, more or less, without adding much. You could add in some personal features that might make it feel different and it wouldn’t even have to be that dramatic but would give people a different experience. For example, the debate about there being upvotes only versus downvotes on a forum.
Gab doesn’t allow federation I don’t think, right? So if you were Gab + federation, you’re already offering more. Twitter doesn’t federate either.
Pleroma was supposed to be an instagram replacement I thought, idk if they reworked it so that it’s more like twitter now.
Pleroma was supposed to be an instagram replacement I thought, idk if they reworked it so that it’s more like twitter now.
Its just a mastodon clone. Written in elixer. So its more light weight. I hate that its in elixer because I don’t know any elixer. I’ve worked professionally in Java, Golang, C++, C#, Rust, python, various forms of JavaScript but no elixer. Fucking no one uses elixer. Not many use Ruby either which is what mastodon is running on.
Im not really interested in it either. I almost want to rewrite it but that would take at least one year. Easier to just learn elixer.
The federation feature is pretty sweet. Not sure it can ever make money but if I can take ten $ from zuckerturd and twitter and help bring about a less libtard future it will be worth any money I spend. fuck zuck.
My apologies, I mixed this up with: https://pixelfed.org/ which is the insta clone I believe
I might be interested in learning elixir, does transcompilation work very well? like if you wanted to write in a language you know and transform it in to elixir? and you could learn basics of the language to check it or have someone else check it who knows the language
I have no idea. Its a super functional language. With a VM like Java. messaging like golang. Things compile to byte code. Its kind of high level language so I dont think other languages can compile to it. Not like typescript -> Javascript
question: there’s a “transcompiler” that translates elixir to javascript called elixirscript, could you translate it to javascript and then just code in javascript? and then updates (upstream is it called?) you could just keep translating as you add them from the main project
of course I guess it depends on how well the “transcompilier” works which may require some knowledge of both languages to check it
No I don’t think that will server for server code.
I feel so old… already Golang and Rust were kind of beyond me. Wasn’t interested in investing huge amounts of time to really understand them. My colleagues took 1 year to get decent in Golang.
And now here is this Elixer thing… goddamn !
Golang shouldn’t take long to learn it’s a small language. I don’t think elixer will ever have near golang market share
I have a number of thoughts.
I have a Gab account, and I hate how Gab has been treated. It seems like Andrew T. is a good guy. However, he is blamed for causing the Charlottesville incident. He shouldn’t be blamed for what users do. But he is shut off from using payment processors because Visa and others consider his site a haven for hate speech and terrorism.
Now, I’d love for all the right-wing and free speech hosts to form a huge portal site like Yahoo! and Google. However, also being a realist, this doesn’t seem to be the time for this. Networking with Torbis, for instance, would not help the financial side of things.
Less censorship would be nice, but folks would still try to dox those who post what they find offensive, and illegal stuff would have to be removed.
I’ve wondered, if one truly wanted a right-wing or pro-white space, if charging an application fee and running criminal checks would be the way to go. Some idiot may join whatever site, commit violence, and get the site taken down or get the site demonetized. So one needs to have a way to screen for knuckleheads. There are often ways to scan for disruptors. If they seem too gung-ho about a cause, that can be a red flag.
It would be nice to have a site where nothing shows up on the web and things are somewhat private. Or even creating a site that requires a special browser to view it. I’ve wondered about using P2P tech for this sort of thing.
P2P databases would be good. I probably should work on that eventually.
I’m not interested in hosting white nationalist content. Im not a white nationalist. I love hanging out in China town. Im just interested in allowing the most freedom possible while not turning away users.
Getting a little black pilled on it. It might be worth while to have a instance that turns away leftest ideologies. Just so we can build a base of good users. That would need a big talk with all the users here though.
Anyway the exact formula I have not figured out yet. Even gab isn’t really free speech. They allow Nazi content but ban antifa stuff pretty sure. Even if its not in their terms of service.
I said pro-white, not WN or Nazism, but I gave that more as an example and was thinking more generally.
As for Antifa, I’d say they are a terrorist group, so I see no violation of free speech if you disallow groups that have inherently violent ideologies. Just talking about making America great is not in itself terrorism or violence. But hosting a group that sprays bleach or acid at the cops and teaches how to use lasers to permanently blind the opposition should be a no-no anywhere.
Yeah, I’m just spit-balling.
Having met a bunch of self-identified antifa people I disagree about them. It’s a nebulous label which isn’t exclusively self-applied, much like the label of WN or Nazi, and as such there’s no “quality control” on who is or isn’t antifa. Anyone can call themselves antifa, or be called antifa. Ideologically there’s no requirement for violence, although plenty of them are certainly prone to it, and it doesn’t seem right to blanket a diverse set of views as terrorist. I hate to use the slippery slope argument because generally they’re pretty weak, but it really is a slippery slope. Without a formally agreed upon definition, you could basically designate any leftist as a terrorist this way.
Hell, call them all terrorists. If they don’t like it, then stop calling the rest of us Nazis and fascists.
As far as I am concerned, nearly every Leftist is a terrorist and deserves to be treated as such.
BTW, Democrats started the KKK. And yes, I know about the ACP and how it hijacked the Democrats and pushed the conservatives to the Republican party. At that point, there was really no conservative party, and the conservatives fled to the least liberal of the 2 liberal parties.
I can only say so much to change your mind on any particular label, but I think my biggest consideration with this blanket labeling of groups (be they groups I agree with or not) is just the history of how the American government treats “terrorists” - and I’m using that word loosely. Once you’re designated a terrorist, all bets are off and despite what’s on paper, you don’t really have any rights. You don’t really even have to go back far to find examples of this.
The Abu Ghraib prison operated by the US military held people that, by the admission of the former commanding officer of the prison, tortured and executed people who she estimated were 90% innocent. They were just people in the wrong place at the wrong time who happened to be called a terrorist by the wrong person.
Are you sure it’s a good idea to throw the “terrorist” label around, given what our government does to people who get called terrorists? What happens when it’s you, or your family, or your friends who are on the receiving end of that? I’m pretty far left. I certainly don’t think I deserve that kind of treatment for holding the extremist position that we should have 16 years of taxpayer funded schooling instead of 12, or that we shouldn’t have starving kids in the richest country on Earth. Do you?
I guess all I’m saying here is that we have to be really careful with how we use words.
To me, those are just leftist talking points. That is what they say when they are not in control or are grappling for more control. All but them are terrorists.
And I see too many on the Right or somewhere in the middle who want the right to be harmed, or they’d be fighting no holds barred and wishing harm on those who are harming their people, and may Emperor Constantine’s religion of cuckery be damned.
At this point, anyone who makes excuses for Leftists marginalizing Conservatives is part of the Left, and anyone making excuses for non-whites who harm whites is either an enemy or a traitor.
I get what you are saying and see it as misapplied. Personally, I never came here to debate, only to express myself and share. I tend to like to state my opinions and move on.
Surely just being anti-left is the most inclusive of all…?
With all due respect, I was speaking within a specific context to a specific person with a response tailored just to them. And if you go further up, you’d see I was speaking of a hypothetical place, not the direction of this site.
My point is that if one wants a pro-white equality site (not Nazi shit and other degeneracy), they should have that right as a matter of principle. Period. They shouldn’t be forced to be inclusive or have “diversity.”
I apologize if this comes across too strongly.
I aren’t bothered… and I know…
We might well agree that antifa are toxic fascists, but i don’t see how banning violence is workable. Freedom fighters are often smeared as terrorists. These are just words. It’s like an oppressive government making unreasonable laws to criminalize normal and legitimate behaviour - a recent example is the govt Nova Scotia criminalizing protest, by abusing unreasonable laws made for another illegitimate purpose and mission creeping them to apply for yet another illegitimate purpose. Nova Scotians should be protesting outside their provincial govt…
I agree that people should be free to comment and also give everyone else the freedom to take the piss out of them… Which is precisely what lefties try to do
Calling people terrorists is problematic, because why aren’t globalist bankers called that too? I don’t think you can define animherently violent ideology. There’s plenty of violence in religious books.
The original reddit way of just ignoring people seems simpler. If the ideology is the problem, liberate the criticism and mockery of it, and add an admin cost to that kind of free expression… Like a hypocrite tax… Like communists could be forced to run their servers as unpaid collectives, so that they’re shit, and nobody wants to use them. Let the market decide as much as possible.
I mean you can go the dark web, make death threats, and people will ril the shit out of the threat issuer… they are not taken seriously, and lose network, and that’s the admin cost of being a dickhead.
(that’s not directed at you btw, just making a point).
My issue with sites like I propose is that there needs to be a way to keep the crackpots and plants out. So, in that case, have a regular site and have special private rooms for vetted folks to discuss certain topics. Those rooms could require a subscription fee and background checks. I wouldn’t want real or fake skinheads taking over. Every time there is a new free speech site, the Left finds a way to cause violence and pin it on them. That isn’t much different than Nero having the city set on fire and blaming Christians, whether he actually played a violin or similar or not.
You have a good point. International bankers are financial terrorists.
I don’t think you will find much support for a bureaucracy, the right simply has to raise its game to win in the marketplace of ideas.
if charging an application fee and running criminal checks would be the way to go
doubt many people would sign up for it, but someone could try it
True, but I’d be more concerned about quality than quantity. To me, having millions of users to have a large segment of them wanting to take the country or the site down the crapper is not the way to go.
I was meaning background checks more in terms of specific types of comments/posts. There are decent Patriots out there who are not interested in violence. If you don’t have a way to cull out disruptors, agitators, and plants, then you can’t have a place for the Patriots since the outsiders would infiltrate and try to frame all Patriots as bad. So if one wanted even a pro-white (not white supremacist, Nazi, white nationalist, or white separatism) space, opponents will try to find a way to bring it down. So if you have a place for even healthy “white pride,” it might be wise to find a way to vet them. So if anyone has weapons charges, aggravated assault charges, discon charges without a good explanation, etc., they probably should not be allowed into such a space. And even the other details about crimes would be helpful. If they were charged with disorderly conduct and were a part of some known radical group while charged, I wouldn’t want them on my site, and particularly not in places that go against their ideology. And some states have felony disorderly conduct laws that include disrupting burial services, religious services or interfering with reproductive health services, etc. So don’t want folks who start anti-gay or race riots at funerals.
I’m still mostly spitballing and thinking.
