Stay away from Benadryl, folks.
Kratom is cool if you’re trying to quit opiates or alcohol.
I can’t recommend kava if you don’t live in a place where it’s cheap, but if that isn’t an issue it has reverse tolerance and actually gets more fun the more you use it.
Psilocybin is a beautiful experience. The world becomes a Van Gogh painting you can experience as if you were a child again. 2g up in the mountains or while camping is the highlight of my summers. It’s very easy to grow and giving it away is really rewarding.
God I wish I had access to psilocybin. It sounds incredible.
If growing it is an option, it’s very easy and teaches you how to grow most culinary mushrooms as well. One shoebox-sized container would get you a year’s supply by summer. That’s where the real power of psilocybin is. I love growing to give away through family, friends, and trauma support networks. You can help a lot of people fast and so economically that charging for them seems absurd.
Rent with regular inspections can make it kinda risky
Honestly your mushrooms wouldn’t take up much space and can be hidden easily
Yes. I actually find I like it best at low doses like .5-1g. Absolutely amazing drug. Higher doses are good but it’s also somewhat unpredictable and has left me with weeks of anxiety afterwards
how does it compare to acid?
I always preferred psilocybin to acid. Doesn’t last as long and has more of an after glow, acid always leaves me feeling exhausted
Same, even after 12h my brain still feels completely fried on LSD. I used to have a decent amount of psylocetin I bought a long time ago and only finished a couple years ago. Dunno if you can get that anymore
Psilocybin is organic for me while LSD is like hallucinogenic adderall. When I use 100mcg of 1P-LSD, which is usually legal to import from Canada, it’s a very energetic and analytical trip. I just get an intense focus on whatever I’m doing and can examine it a bunch of ways while it twinkles and geometric shapes morph out of it. When I use 2g of psilocybin, it’s like ecology meets impressionism meets therapy. There’s an intense awareness of all the interconnected dialectical relationships, everything seems 150% alive with the colours and sensations amplified. I feel awe at everything, very deeply emotionally impacted, and my inner-narrative becomes a dialogue where I can examine myself from outside of myself. Psilocybin turns nature into a religious experience.
The time difference is also nice. For LSD I have to dedicate the next 8-12 hours to active, intense tripping. Psilocybin is over within 3-4 hours and then it’s just a lovely afterglow for the evening.
hear you on the time difference! really want to try Psilocybin soon.
due to a clerical error, currently LSD derivatives are legal in Germany
Had a fun couple of nature walks and can definitely recommend (though I’ve only had pretty low doses so far, nowhere near an actual, proper trip)
That’s hilarious, reminds me of the time Florida accidentally made computers illegal with a poorly phrased anti gambling bill.
ketamine sucks ass i guess it feels nice but idk why anyone would get high off horse tranquilizer
caffeine to function, weed to relax. shrooms to exfoliate the brains once a year
I just love dissociatives. Movies on ket go hard af as well.
what is the best dissociative??? in your opinion. because i also hated dextromethorphan (Robotussin)
Dextro is somehow my favorite dissociative, even after using it quite a bit over the years. One thing about Dextro is weed and set are really essential with it, but I like the ranges of dissociation it offers. If you want to give it another shot, try Polystrex instead of HBR, it’s far more gentle than a full HBR trip.
Separate from that though, it really is ket. By far the best safety profile of any dissociative I’ve come across, pleasantly psychedelic but dose dependant enough that you can get whatever you want off it. I just wish it lasted a little bit longer to prevent compulsive redosing.
For the experimental ones thouge, I liked 2 FDK. That’s the one that felt the way I imagined ketamine would feel before I tried any dissociatives
You used to be able to get a ketamine derivative called MXE through mail order like 10 years ago that was absolutely magical and very cheap, but China clamped down on all the labs that were producing RC’s and it’s seemingly impossible to get anymore.
RC market kinda garbage now imo
I haven’t ordered anything since maybe 2015, but I had a real nice time for a few years before they started banning all the good stuff.
Yeahh so much cool stuff is just impossible to find now… and like some classes of drugs just have very few good RC options anymore…
Like if someone is into opioids, I think O-DSMT is still around and it’s pretty safe but everything else available is pretty fucking awful for you, not only in terms of effects relative to the classics but especially healthwise lol
MXE is so misssed lol. Its like how people dream about Quaaludes except MXE isnt overhyped and was actually amazing. Also docs were giving out ludes like candy back then. The people who got to try MXE is limited and Im sure it still exists but not in any way accessible.
When trying to describe it I would tell people it was so good it can ruin your life. I used to do small bumps before going on jogs and just marvel at the world.
I remember MXE coming “back” a few years ago but apparently it was all weird and wrong.
I also got some DCK around that time and mostly i just got some scenery slicing and queasiness. 3/10.
Yeah I’d be leery of anything being sold as MXE nowadays.
Ketamine is really good for treatment-resistant depression and I have a hot take that there’s a significant number of regular users of street ketamine who put themselves in a k-hole as a form of self-medication.
Ketamine is also super useful for catatonia and it should be the treatment option they resort to prior to ECT due to ECT having much more serious side effects comparatively. We’re getting there though.
Since I’m dropping my ketamine-related hot takes I think that TRD and catatonia are often so similar in symptomatology and response to the same treatments that they should be considered synonymous (not a doctor, not a psychiatrist)
In my four years of doing meth, I have never had psychosis like what I’ll have off 200mg of DPH. That stuff feels like it’ll give you dementia. I never saw the Hat Man but I saw bugs.
Also recently I acquired two full scripts of seroquel and I’ve been taking it as a therapeutic thing. It actually helped. I stopped taking it for some reason though.
Yeah DPH sucks. I would never recommend anyone ever take it, but especially after early 20’s avoid it. Easy way to speed run getting early onset mental disease.
Most I ever took was 800mg, typically dosing around 250mg. I never really hallucinated that much, just the typical spiders, etc. Never saw shadow people (or Hat Man? I don’t think that was even a thing back then lmao). It mostly just made it impossible to sleep despite making me feel incredibly tired/high body load/uncomfortable.
It’s only really “fun” if you are able to do something that you can zone in on, that keeps your brain engaged and distracts you from the negative side effects, like a really engaging video game. Most of the time I’d just end up feeling too tired to do anything and would just feel miserable for the next 16 hours, though.
I abused it for like a couple days to a week, last month, basically for its chemical lobotomy effects because I was severely heartbroken and had no way of getting fetty (which I would have possibly used to yeet myself). I took 200mg and let my mammalian brain brown out.
Does seroquel have recreational potential? I’ve only had it as a failed attempt at balancing my unbalanced mind. It was unpleasant at the dosage it was prescribed
Not really on its own; I kinda feel like it has potential as a “dampener” when taken with meth, sort of like how when people do goofballs (meth + heroin) the heroin takes the edge off the meth. Everyone I know who does just meth is fucking out of this world but everyone who does meth&heroin is normal (meth + fetty makes people fucking WEIRD).
Supposedly somehow seroquel can be IV’d. You can’t smoke it; I’m stupid and I actually tried this.
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Supposedly the same for fetty, though I was fucking loaded when I died last year.
Did it work? How did it compare to the oral ingestion?
Idk how to extract the quetiapine in order to do a shot (and I’m squeamish about IV’ing anyway). When I tried smoking one of the pills, while it was gross and didn’t fucking work I noticed brown residue in the glass, suggesting something had indeed vaporized or something.
I also tried smoking Ambien once lol.
I’ve snorted the hell out of other z-class beforr which is a lot like ambient, smoking it sounds wild.
Ambein (zolpidem) is a z-class, son/daughter/child.
I wish I knew how to buy RCs.
Theres not even heroin anymore
*Leans into microphone* Wrong.
It does at high doses. High dose seroquel is what most people think Benedryl is
Sorta. I saw tracers from snorting one, but didnt feel much aside from tired, and I was more hungover in tje morning than I would have been when I have taken it normally.
The hangover is brutal
Smallest dose of melatonin they’ll sell you, 1/day half an hour before bed time, with no alcohol
yes I’m fun at parties, but this sure isn’t related to that
Morning glory is super interesting, there’s lots of different routes of administration and they give different experiences.
Eating the seeds gives a sedating trip with lots of nausea.
Making a quick cold water extraction gives a less sedating trip.
Making an extraction with fresh sherry wine then stirring in peppermint extract results in the drug LSA being converted into LSH, the far more visually psychedelic drug. Fresh mg seeds have more LSH but it degrades into LSA over time.
Sprouting the seeds then eating the seedlings gives a strong trip with little naseau.
Smoking the seeds gives a subtle high which is absolutely bizarre and should not work because the lysergine molecules are very very fragile to heat.
I’ve only tried morning glory a few times as a simple cold water extraction, but vomited every time too early to really absorb the dose.
and should not work
I agree and I’m curious if you have a hypothesis. Does the high feel similar to others induced by lysergamides? Have you ever had an IV lysergamide experience?
Fascinating, I may have to look into this more. Does it have deleterious health effects?
There’s a good bit of body load. The related plant Hawaiian Baby Woodrose has seeds that also have LSA and they’re more potent but I think with those there is some toxicity concern? Or maybe just worse body load… It’s nothing to worry about unless done frequently
I had a pretty crazy trip on hbwr seeds. They took ages to hit, like five hours. I was convinced they were weak or totally bunk and upped the dose at a few points and ended up taking 17.
Started having truly wild stomach cramps, felt like I was being stabbed. Lifted up my shirt and looked in the mirrior and my abs were contracting comically visibly from left to right. “THAT CAN’T BE GOOD” i thought as I automatically assumed toilet-hugging position, my home for the next two hours as I tried to force myself to throw up and the “call your parents and 911, you’ve poisoned yourself” devil/the “you’ve read everything there is to read on the internet about these, it’ll be fine later” angel on my shoulders waged war.
“OoOo you might feel sick before the trip starts, some people throw up. It can cause muscle cramping”. <-- very funny jokes told by a demon. Two hours of excruciating pain later i finally threw up, rocketed to the verge of breakthrough psychedelic territory and had a super fun time for the next 12ish hours. Fell asleep for a couple hours and woke up still mildly tripping through a dentist appointment and half of my shift.
10/10 would not do it again.
I was a simple druggie. I’d chug liquor and smoke a bowl so they’d kick in at the same time. Chase that with a few cigarettes. Had to quit because I was coughing up blood. Oh well, that’s what your 20s are for. 10/10 I’d do it again.
I don’t take prescription drugs and recreational drugs are illegal in my stupid country.
But HHC is legal here due to some loopholes, and I enjoy doing that. It helps to relieve pain if I work too hard in the gym and it gets me silly.
HHC
Hexahydrocannabinol
The hexbear of cannabinoids!
I personally like HHC better than most cannibinoids. THCA is up there too. They don’t have as much anxiety ime.
ket ket ket ket
by far my fav of all time
At the low dose version or the high dose version? I’ve heard those are completely different.
When I take a high enough dose of kitties I experience something like what I think dying will be like. Just completely beyond my ability to describe shit.
My buddy said he experienced a more complete ego death than the time he experienced it on acid.
I can’t even begin to describe my experience. My dealer hoards his ketamine like a druggie Medieval dragon so I’m shit outta luck there.
Both
Low dose is super abusable, not unhealthy at all, not addictive, and great for dancing and partying. Destroys anxiety
High dose to k-hole is a wonderful and blissful out of universe complete dissociation experience that cannot be described. Very low chance of it going bad compared to psychedelics because of the massive anti anxiety effect
Both have great anti depressant therapeutic effects
But dont take too much too often or you wont be able to piss anymore.
High dose ketamine is a great pain reliever
Kava is very relaxing but some of the concerns about liver toxicity worry me too much.
I’ll stick with good old weed.
I think maybe these concerns were unfounded/a myth? Been a long time since I was “researching” it but I think it was like one study where the kava extraction had solvent or something in it. Don’t quote me.
There are lower quality strains that grow faster and can cause liver toxicity. The high quality stuff doesn’t, which is part of why I have a hard time recommending it due to the cost not really being worth it in my area.
Oh nuts, good to know. Wonder how it compares to how bad alcohol is for your liver. I always liked the effect but it tastes sooo bad to me. I tried it again a few years ago after not having it for a decade and the smell was almost enough to make me gag
The blender method with a nut milk of your choice make it go down rather easy. The dirt flavor grows on you eventually.
Pretty sure daily kava from a non noble strain would kill your liver less quickly than alcohol, but does fuck it eventually if you’re using it daily.
ah well, all things in moderation
thanks for the nut milk tip, that does sound like an improvement. wish i could access my old email address still so i could figure out what the one kind was i had that really agreed with me. it was kavabyrex, vanuatu something or other but it was forever ago. can’t at all remember the last kind i tried but it was from a different place and made me wildly nauseated for hooouurs each of the several times i tried it.
Oh interesting. From my last deep dive into this subject (admittedly from quite a long time ago) they had only established that significant kava usage showed elevated liver enzymes that they inferred to be an indication that kava causes liver damage but no solid proof was established that directly implicated kava consumption as causing liver damage.
From memory the study was providing people with whole powdered kava in capsules (for obvious reasons) and it was speculated that this may have been the cause for the elevated enzymes whereas the traditional water extraction does not as regular kava users, especially in cultures that consume kava, have not reported showing elevated liver enzymes.
Whether that’s true or simply a product of the fact that some Pacific Islands populations are quite poor and lack access to high quality healthcare where they’d notice this phenomenon, or whether it’s simply a known thing in their hospitals that most people in the region show elevated liver enzymes upon testing so they disregard it is a matter up for debate.
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Salvia if you respect it
Morning glory seeds (WITH NO PESTICIDE OR HERBICIDE COATING) are pretty wild, somewhere between acid and shrooms but with 100% more puking.
Dex is aight but not my thing. Can get it pure on Amazon, avoid anything with active additives (especially acetaminophen) for recreational doses.
I was the sober sitter for a group of my friends who did salvia. At least one would have risked death without the sitter (one ran into a street and I had to wrestle him back into the sidewalk as cars came by and the other started doing weird shit with a couch that could have led to serious injury. DeliriantS scare me
Salvia extract above 10-15x is pretty intense, and even at those levels I recommend people be seated on the ground or some other safe area since it can get very out-of-body/disassociation within seconds of the hit. Take the hit and lay back, have the sitter take the items as they lay back exhaling. Salvia is not really a good party kinda drug so much.
Pill me on dex? Morning glory sounds cool and I kinda (really really) want to try it based off that description.
Dex is different depending on what plateau you hit, psychonaut wiki is a pretty good source for info on this and other drugs.
For me the aftereffects last too long (although the afterglow would be a decent weekly antidepressant type thing if the other effects weren’t there). And I don’t particularly enjoy the delirious nausea or memory problems. But other people seem to have better experiences.
I ordered a few thousand morning glory seeds from Etsy. There’s a few ways to prep them to try and reduce nausea. If you’re good with chemistry you could even extract the pure LSA (and with an expensive lab and a college degree, maybe turn it into LSD from what I’ve read).
I did a cold water extraction after grinding mine to a flour. Soaked for 12 hours in the fridge then pressed through a cloth. Still ended up puking but after that it was a solid trip. I’d recommend not fighting the nausea if it happens, once I purged the body load almost entirely went away.
Do you think the morning glory extraction is viable if somebody was good at lab work but bad at everything else chemistry-wise?
It’s been a while since I looked into it but iirc LSA extraction is like intermediate chemistry, like can be done in your garage with chemicals you can buy anywhere. A few solvents and things like that. Potentially dangerous if you don’t follow instructions.
Oh and btw Dex is another name for dxm or dextromethorphan in case that wasn’t clear
Kratom is cool as fuck. Love me DXM as well. Fuck Phenibut though, fuck that shit 1000000000x over
Yeah, kratom is cool but be careful where you get it. I got some from a sketchy head shop and that shit fucked up my liver for like 2 months, it was really scary :(
Honestly so scary I don’t wanna ever touch it again
I have a love-hate relationship with phenibut lol
Kratom is definitely important to source correctly. I wish it was regulated a bit better instead of just being a wild west.
Yeah same with phenibut. Best high ever imo, but the withdrawals from it were literally life ruining and permanently altered who I am. The suicidal tendencies while I was using it were also completely untennable and would have 100 percent killed me within a year if I had continued. Been 2 years and I still kinda miss it sometimes though
That sounds awful :(
I’m glad you made it off of it, the withdrawal is hell. The high is pretty great but def not worth losing your life over
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Weed
Weed is legal here so that
DXM dextromorphan i think is the name. It’s in Robitussin and it has different “levels” or “plateaus” where apparently you fully dissociate but I’ve only really had enough to get a little fucked up which i recommend
I’ve only robotrupped once, and it was an experience. I won’t ever do it again, but I’m glad I did it the way I did at least once.
I used to take that stuff all the time. It’s not really worth it, except maybe just for the experience a couple times. It starts out very fun, but the tolerance builds up very quickly, and excessive dosing leads to very bad paranoia that lingers even after you quit. It’s a very expensive addiction to feed. At my peak I was doing 2-4 entire bottles of tussin a day, and would barely feel anything. At least for me the tolerance never went away, even years later.
I love cough syrup so much
