Summary

Project 2025, a manifesto supported by the conservative Heritage Foundation, calls for a ban on pornography, labeling its purveyors as criminals and advocating for strict penalties, including jail time for producers and registered sex offender status for educators distributing it.

The manifesto argues that porn lacks First Amendment protection, framing it as harmful and exploitative.

With a right-leaning Supreme Court, proponents aim to overturn existing protections established in Miller v. California, potentially impacting mainstream media.

Donald Trump has pledged to bring Project 2025 contributors onto his team.

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      First president to have actual nude photos of his wife available.

      If any other president, especially a Democrat, had nudes of their wife it would be a scandal.

      But America is so beholden to these idiots that it doesn’t even matter to anyone.

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        There are lots of things they do that’re scandalous. That’s not one of them. There’s already enough puritanical bullshit fucking up the US. It’s about time some of it were left in the past.

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      Doesn’t this proposal also make anyone who participates in the production of porn into a criminal?

      Is the first Lady going to get arrested for her involvement in the creation of porn?

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        Historically, you can’t be charged for crimes you committed before the law criminalizing them was passed. However, precedence and fair application of the law have lost all meaning so you could be arrested, but she wouldn’t.

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    registered sex offender status for educators distributing it

    If a book in your classroom or school library has anything beyond a heterosexual peck on the cheek, congratulations, you’re now a sex offender. Not a joke.

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      Oh boy, I can’t wait for abstinance to be taught as the only form of sexual education in America.

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          When the schools close, I guess everybody has to go to Christian school now! No sex education at all, please!

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        In my school in the Bible belt that was primarily what they focused on. I don’t remember much time being given to condoms. I certainly don’t remember ever being given one or shown how to use it (not that it’s that difficult or anything, but still).

        But what I do remember is a speaker coming to our school to talk to us about how he had sex outside of marriage and got a girl pregnant, but he did the right thing and got married. Also, and I cannot stress this enough, he described this as abstaining because he married the person he had sex with.

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        That was mine… In the early 00s. And again with a guest speaker… In my advanced marketing class… In the late 00s. I will never forget how that lady sat on a desk, explaining with vivid, passionate excitement and lust, how waiting for your life partner to be your first time is, moans and quivers, so good~

        The fuck, Smith, I thought we were going to fuck around and watch movies while you go “make some copies” only to never return, like every other day. The fuck is this shit. Even your own kid in this class is visibly distraught and confused. Poor guy is fucking scarred for life.

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      Well fuck as a published writer who has gsy characters in my books does that mean I will be labeled under this?

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    I hope they actually do it. This is like the abortion issue, if they actually go through with it people will be like “What?? How could this happen??”

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    Historically speaking people have two things they riot for, safety and comfort. How that comfort manifest varies but pornography is definitely on the same level as whiskey, and the United states has had a rebellion on that.

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      And somehow we just elected a guy who has no qualms with turning the military and the police on its own citizens despite legal doctrine.

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        Well luckily the military has a good chance of not listening to him, atleast in my opinion. The police on the other hand are more of a threat, though not an insurmountable one.

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          The liberal officers are going to resign in protest then pat themselves on the back and call it integrity.

          Then the fascists are going to follow orders.

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            Luckily the chain of command helps dilute the worst of this type of effect. As I understand it most orders will have to go through the folks at the Pentagon first and they could very well just say no or otherwise pull some malicious compliance.

            Reminder the military has a more or less parallel system to the civil system. Its entirely possible they may just decide to separate themselves more or less.

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              https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/30/military-veterans-remain-a-republican-group-backing-trump-over-harris-by-wide-margin/

              I am so fucking tired of Lemmy living in an alternate reality where liberal leadership will somehow magically get its shit together when it matters, like this hasn’t been a completely predictable trend over decades, where Someone Important will fucking Do Something.

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                I live in an area with veterans and its a bit more of a mixed bag. Most of them are dissolutioned with the system, its not that they dont have political leanings they just hate both. The ones who are politically active are usually lowd and dumb as fuck Republicans, the JD Vance type. The few I met who were commissioned officers were fucking feral and had nothing good to say about the right.

                Remember the split in the veterans will be based broadly on education similar to the general public. And frankly speaking the actual folks at the Pentagon are pretty well educated.

                Also I will happily admit that this is me hoping for a somewhat workable scenario. Im Californian which means I am in the perfectly cooked chicken zone of this soon to be nuclear blast, watching a bunch of mush brained dipshits play with the nuke. I practically cant do fuck all.

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            Honestly a good amount of that shit is of questionable function, reminder most of the good shit is going to the national guard first. The police are at best using old ass NVG and optics, maybe they have a functional IFV but itll be of questionable maintenance. My local police department gave up and just has the Sheriff department do anything that requires more than a rifle, mostly cause the mechanics refused to work on the humvee they got.

            Also the police arent exactly trained for an actual resistance movement, itll be likely a more embarrassing version of the union and county wars.

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                Honestly fhe worst that can happen is the engine decides its in fact a fire pit. Otherwise it will just be a boring ass breakdown, transmission failure is pretty common in military vehicles as a general rule. Reminder the US military is a logistics network with an army meaning that just cause they can keep a vehicle running doesnt mean even the oversized budget of LAPD can.

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    The porn ban will just be the excuse they use to crack down on VPNs so they can implement a full on Chinese style internet censorship program.

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      Goof luck for the companies depending on VPNs…but hey, Donnie’s going to crash the economy anyway, so why fret.

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    Oh man do I ever hope they ban porn in the US. That would be fucking hilarious.

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        If you don’t think the incel groups that are super pro trump getting their porn privileges revoked isn’t funny as fuck, you’re wrong.

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        As hard as you try you can never stop people from posting porn on the internet. It would be as big of a disaster as the war on drugs.

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          A law that virtually everyone breaks and is easily selectively enforced is extremely valuable to authoritarian regimes. It’s a wildcard to imprison whoever they want.

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    People who voted for Trump after he won:

    The same people after he declare porn illegal.

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    Hilarious. As if this could ever actually be instituted nationwide. Regulations on sale and access maybe, but moral crusades like this are perpetually doomed to failure, much like the War on Drugs.

    Doesn’t mean they won’t try, won’t posture, won’t grandstand about it, but to actually succeed in this goal when over 50% of the populace isn’t going to be behind it? I guess we’ll just have to watch them try.

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      It’s not to try and ban porn

      It’s a way to snoop on all Internet traffic.

      Like cops “smelling weed” anytime they want to hassle someone. If they don’t like a person, they’ll spy on their Internet usage, obviously find some kind of porn, and then make a public spectacle out of to distract from what they’re mad at that person for.

      They don’t care about the crime, they want an excuse to investigate people they don’t like.

      Say something mean on twitter, and they’ll search your IP till they find something they can call porn.

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        They’ll say they’re gonna ban it and when there’s uproar they’ll say to “protect the kids” you need a digital ID to access porn. Then they’ll expand it to everything, ban VPN’s, encryption and there will be no more privacy. Big brother is watching, and if he deems you too woke, for whatever arbitrary reason, you’re off to the gulag.

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        It’s also the pretext for a pogrom against LGBTQ, whose existence in public will be redefined as “pornographic.”

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          And to be clear, this isn’t supposition, it’s already literally happening in Florida.

          Florida is the model for what they want to do everywhere.

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      The war on drugs only failed if you truly believe its goal was getting rid of drugs.

      To quote John Erlichman, one of its architects:

      “The Nixon Campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar Left, and Black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black. But by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

      By the strandards of what it was created to do, the war on drugs was fantastically successful.

      The war on porn will be successful in exactly the same way, because Republicans have already spent decades redefining all LGBTQ content as “pornographic”. This is will be a tool for disrupting queer and trans communities, for erasing queer and trans resources and tearing down queer and trans rights activists. Stopping porn isn’t the point, and it never was.

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      Strange comparison. The war on drugs wrecked so many lives, and hasn’t really ended, just cooled off a little. I don’t see that as a cause for optimism.

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        It’s meant as a comparison in terms of Moral Crusades via Prohibition tactics. I have a feeling that a “ban” on pornography will likely end the same way, with hyperbolic responses and lives disrupted to no positive resolutions. But it really seems untenable as a concept, that genie is so far out of the bottle that there is no bottle anymore; only the whole entire internet

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      No, but they can go after the owners and operators of major porn sites and have them shut down (and possibly executing them). Then the subsequent chilling effect that will occur, making sure nobody dares try to take their place.

      You could probably use a VPN and find stuff, but say goodbye to pornhub, youporn, xvideos, etc. And in certain states they will probably make accessing it illegal (or simply using a VPN at all. And no, it will not matter that they’re legitimately needed for all sorts of legal shit, it’ll be used at the government’s discretion (which means singling out people who are using it to access porn. Until it isn’t, and they use it for whatever they want because they are the law).

      This is what fascism is. People really don’t seem to grasp this. We need to stop viewing he world from this current paradigm, because come January 20, this nation will become unrecognizable.

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      They don’t care about total enforcement. They’ll just use it against their enemies and people they want to take down while protecting their own. Rules for thee etc

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        This is what people don’t seem to grasp about fascism… It doesn’t matter. None of the rules or social mores that you’ve known since you were born will matter anymore.

        People need to read some history books, this has happened before. We aren’t special, it is already happening here.

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    Do it.

    Fuck around and find out.

    The sad thing is, the nation will care more about porn than abortion rights. 🤦‍♂️

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    Least important effect of a Trump presidency - but I’m sure if he did this it’d be the straw that broke the camel’s back for Gen Z Trumpers.

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      The one thing this election has all but confirmed for me is that over half of the country supports these things unabashedly, and I highly doubt porn will be the hero that magically changes these people. It’s already banned in multiple conservative states, and all of them just voted red again.

      Honestly, I believe that if the Trump admin brought back prohibition, his bootlickers would be the first in line telling us how it’s the best idea ever.

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          He wouldn’t do it. There’s too much money being made there to already wealthy people that support him. I could see him threatening and blackmailing to get a piece of the pie though.

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      Then maybe they should have known that Project 2025 called for that before they decided to vote for Trump.

      Violence against women is about to skyrocket when the incels can’t get a date because they’re too repulsive and can’t watch porn to take out their sexual frustrations because of what they voted for.

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        Then maybe they should have known that Project 2025 called for that before they decided to vote for Trump.

        Those kids would be very angry if they could read

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      Nah, genZ are apparently prudes. They have less sex and apparently don’t like fan service in media. Puritanism and teetotaling is the new counterculture.

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        I’ve suspected the less sex has more to do with hookup culture being undesirable and lack of face-to-face communication. Not to mention “who can afford kids in this economy?”

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        I dislike fanservice because it often seems shoehorned in, adding no value outside itself whatsoever and as such taking away from the rest.

        Mind you if I want smut,I just watch smut. Simple as

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        Nope, still pretty unimportant.

        I’m pretty sex positive and pro-porn myself but compared to deporting legal immigrants with the wrong skin color or forcing motherhood on unconsenting women it’s pretty unimportant.

        Also like… destroying our entire government bureaucracy.

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    And again, the US totally failed to learn from history. This time, even their own history. Do you actually have history classes in school, or has this been replaced by “American” “football” or “Cheerleading” classes already?

    Hint: I’m talking about 1920 to 1933, when organized crime in the US was thriving like mad due to a similar stupid idea. This time, it won’t be any better. Keywords: Volstead Act and Cullen-Harrison Act

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      It makes me wonder what the rest of the country outside my state is even learning. When I was in high school, it felt like WW2 was the ONLY history being taught in regular history class. I had to take an elective, AP, European history class just to learn something other than the American revolution, the civil war, civil rights movement, women’s sufferage, and WW2.

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        This was consistently for me too. I learned more world history from PC games than I did in school.

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      My history classes were how heroic the founding fathers were (nothing about how they owned slaves until college), how the civil war was about states rights, how we kicked total ass in WW2 except FDR was kind of a dictator and had too many terms, and how LBJ fucked up Vietnam and it was his fault we lost. They did offer an AP History class and it was a bit more truthful than what I had so far up to that point, but was still subject to the same school board’s oversight.

      It was very “both sides had a point but the rightmost point is the correct one”.

      This was in the 90s and early 2000s in rural Appalachia.

      Once I got to college I was like uhhhh what? It’s crazy to me that the federal government subsidizes and provides education that is going to lead to its own downfall. Maybe we DO need to dismantle the department of Education.

      Holy shit did I just red pill myself?

      Joking of course. These people can’t even govern their own impulses (see Epstein and rampant pedophilia on the right).

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        In high school we had one year of “world” history that went something like this:

        Man “appeared” in Africa

        Sometime later planted corn and stuff

        Egypt, Italy and China had big dynasties and stuff

        Now let’s talk about the important history: Western Europe and more importantly America!!!

        America is awesome - we do cool stuff and we are amazing oh yea the natives … well they were well… uh America is awesome!

        WWII we kicked ass

        Communism is bad

        Vietnam war happened

        Have a great summer kids!

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    First, they came for the trans people* and I did nothing because I am not trans.
    Then they came for the immigrants and I did nothing because I am not an immigrant.
    Then they came for women’s rights and I did nothing because I am not a woman.
    Then they came for the… wait, what? Hold up!


    * They came really hard for the trans people. Like strangely hard. Like they had some kind of fixation.

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    Italy greets you with its piracy shield.

    Can they actuate such measures? Of course they can, look at Italy. Is it realistic? Well, that depends on how stupid they are. Italy has blocked google trying to ban piracy and the “shield” is easily avoided with a vpn, but hey, they are trying.