• cley_faye@lemmy.world
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    Well, look at that. We finally found what is needed to have a white “terrorist” instead of “someone with issues”: just target ultra rich people.

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    The irony is that this was done to score propaganda points, but, and especially if Luigi keeps arguing the manifesto was fake and planted on him, this will make it harder for the charges to stick.

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      How can you even prove it was planted. Its your word against the cops and well, we may know cops are lying but the court won’t care.

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      They’re trying to end that, Republicans making the claim you can and should deny healthcare to prisoners

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        No more healthcare, work without pay, convicted for bullshit reasons, locked up in conditions which are crimes against humanity… Americans call it correctional facilities, to cover up they are actually slave labor camps. Just like they do not torture, they call it “enhanced interrogation”. Even though it’s the same technique as torture, it’s ok now because it’s named differently. Because slave labor camps are named “correctional institute” it’s all good man!

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    Huh, I guess a terrorist is a national hero. Hope others follow his fine work

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    His lawyers should go for a defense of others defense. Millions of lives were in imminent danger. He had no choice but to act.

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      I simultaneously do and do not want to see the trolly problem diagram in that courtroom.

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        well, unless it results in a mistrial we’ll find out how everybody in that courtroom feels about the trolley problem.

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        One is a coordinated group working in lockstep to collapse everything as a primary political party that’s not only in power but in charge of every part of government.

        The other is a single guy who acted in the interest of average people by killing someone ‘valuable’

        The year of Luigi was 11 years early.

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    If he can be charged as a terrorist, so should the ceo’s that let people die for a profit

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    And now the words “terrorist” and “hero” have become synonymous, undoing decades of 9/11 imperialist propaganda in one fell swoop.

    I mean I wish. But a man can dream.

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    In addition, Mangione has been charged with a second count of murder in the second degree, “pertaining to the fact that the killing was intentional,”

    The fuck kind of bullshit is that? They’re just making up the legal system because rich guy hurt.

    Also, just to keep things straight in case people don’t know. He has a lawyer for the PA charges, and a separate lawyer for the NY charges.

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      Second degree? They don’t have enough to lay first degree murder?

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        murder in first degree and murder in the second degree. Two murder charges for one “murder.”

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          I don’t know enough about NY state law, but I do know that there are states where a jury has an option between finding guilty on a greater or lesser charge. Maybe that’s what’s going on?

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            Yeah, the first degree one is probably a long shot, where they hope to set a precedent where shooting a high profile CEO / politician is now terrorism, which means they can use all the terrorist laws to surveil activists and anyone who disagrees with the current system (I mean, they already do that, but they want to expand the legal basis for it where they can).

            They also tried to use terrorism laws on the activists trying to stop cop city in Atlanta. The thing people warned about when the PATRIOT Act passed is slowly happening. They start with a law to stop terrorists and pedophiles, and slowly they expand the use of it until it applies to everyone.

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              The definition of “terrorism” is more specific under NY law than federal. The specific definition related to a first degree murder charge is:

              (b) for purposes of subparagraph (xiii) of paragraph (a) of subdivision one of section 125.27 of this chapter means activities that involve a violent act or acts dangerous to human life that are in violation of the criminal laws of this state and are intended to:

              (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

              (ii) influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion; or

              (iii) affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping.

              It seems extremely unlikely they’d be able to get any of these to stick, and none of the other cases under which someone may be convicted of first degree murder apply here, hands down. This is why the second degree murder charge, because first degree murder is almost certain to be unsuccessful for the prosecution.