Ignoring your mixup of persecution and prosecution, it’s wild that you’re even remotely putting mass execution and imprisonment on the same level as having your singular thread removed from a privately hosted forum that you voluntarily joined.
Censorship by privately run and hosted forums is not remotely equivalent to the horrors of totalitarian and fascist governments. Even if people were to agree that it’s evil (which it’s not, paradox of tolerance), the comparison is beyond the pale.
This is one of the most chronically online takes I’ve ever heard.
No, that isn’t what I said at all.
Fuckit.
And yet you offer nothing to rebut the point. How is that not what you said? It seems spot on to me.
Persecution without explanation. Evil in one context (doubley evil, by association, even), accepted in another. I point out that incongruity.
How can I make it plainer?
You drew a direct comparison between fascist states and social media, on the basis of their evil deeds.
stop being so butthurt in your comments. You’re getting absolutely roasted. Just take the L
And the herd supports you in your muddled conclusions. Yay
That’s some prescription strength copium you’re taking.
Some real “everyone disagreeing with me means I’m right” type delusion
I’m sorry. Being enslaved, jailed, or executed for no reason is NOTHING like getting your comment deleted without a detailed explanation.
If you’re feeling oppressed by other people not reading whatever thoughts pop in your head, it might be time to go touch grass, or snow, depending on what’s available in your area right now.
Actually, censorship is the #1 form of prosecution for scary governments.
Really hard to avoid Godwin’s law in this thread.
An/or Poe’s Law
In what court are you being prosecuted? State, federal? What laws are you accused of breaking?
OP is confusing “prosecution” with “persecution”, thus making this whole thread impenetrable
They know, they are just giving him a hard time lol
Such petty sniveling mindgames are the bedrock upon which our magnificent culture is founded.
Right, because knowing proper vocabulary is a “mind game”.
Lol
People have freedom. This includes the freedom to allow you or disallow you from being around them. You cannot simply break into someone’s house and talk to them if they don’t want you to, for instance.
Governments do not get this freedom. Governments should and frequently do get constraints that individuals should not.
Here, we are individuals, not governments. This service was made by a bunch of randos, it’s theirs. Not all of ours. We are here, in their house, because they invited us. They can disinvite us any time they want, they should and do have that freedom.
Sure, you and I can kick anyone out of your houses for any reason or no reason. But it’s kind of a duck move to not tell the person you’re booting what they did.
Perhaps, but that’s not what happened in this instance. If you check the mod logs, there’s plenty of explanation for why this user has had comments removed, and has been banned from several communities.
But that does not address my point. My point was that it is evil to “disinvite” without explanation.
Check the modlog, they usually cite which rule was broken. I think “evil” is a pretty strong word, unfair maybe, but lots of things are unfair without being evil.
They should offer an explanation pinned to the top of the conversation tree. They should be clear and upfront. That’s the pro-community thing to do.
A very brief one, sure, I could agree with that. Most assholes aren’t worth more than a few words from a mod though. This is the internet after all, trolls abound.
They technically provide free labour, you can’t have these exceptions from people.
We lucky we have modlogs unlike reddit.
Well we technically provide free labor too. I mean the whole conversation was built by us. The whole system was built to service the necessary stuff that we provide.
Yeah, the modlogs are a step up for sure.
Your participation does not entitle you to break the rules.
I swear some of you people would rather swallow your own elbow than directly address the point.
Yes, there’s supposed to be a higher legal standard for the state sending you to prison than a private party banning you from their forum.
There is also common decency to consider.
If you took your own advice, you wouldn’t have so many comments of yours deleted.
How does being a moderator make one an expert on common decency?
One need not to be an expert to see that your comments were inappropriate and broke the rules.
You know what’s appropriate, the moderator knows what’s appropriate, and anybody who disagrees is wrong.
And anybody who asks for an explanation is just trolling.
That’s a rather massive and arrogant assumption.
Not “anyone”. But certainly you, currently.
You broke the rules, and you got your comments removed. Facing the consequences of your actions is not a state of victimhood.
That’s rather beside my point. I addressed prosecution without explanation.
So you’re butthurt that your eugenics threads got deleted? This smells like troll
What exactly do you mean by “prosecution” in the context of social media?
Penalizing a transgressor.
(The penalty being removing a reply or post. Or ban)
(The transgression being contradicting a rule, the spirit of the community or the will of the moderator)
They mean “persecution”
Ok maybe I did the wrong word. You get my point tho.
Your username makes a lot of sense after reading such opinion, I’m going to be honest.
Do you sincerely think those 2 things are even remotely comparable?
It isn’t an evil practice because evil people practice it. It’s just an evil practice.
Can we agree on that?
Can we agree on that?
Absolutely fucking not.
Social media companies do not prosecute you in any shape or form. At most the can ban you from using their platforms. That’s it.
Being prosecuted by the government of a country (especially a totalitarian one) is an entirely different matter.
And bless your heart for living such a privileged life that you think those 2 things are even on the same level to begin with
We are censored and banned. This is the form of prosecution to which I refer. This is obvious. Let’s not quibble over semantics.
If you will read my post, I do not refer to the prosecution. I refer to prosecution without explanation.
I am convinced you are just a troll.
You cannot be so dense as not to see that you are making no sense, while still trying to compare apples to oranges despite all the users telling you how insane of a comparison it is.
I refuse to believe anyone can be so insane as to dare say that living under a totalitarian regime can be in any shape or form similar to getting banned from any website
A sure sign that you are wrong is when everybody agrees with you verbatim.
No, you’re just an ahole who has no idea about the horrors that one might face in a totalitarian regime and now you’re trying to be edgy and die on a pointless hill with this stupid one liners and ignorant takes. Bye
No
You’re talking about Banning or Canceling?. Either way, is wild to compare prosecution with any of those things.
Actually, censorship is the #1 form of prosecution for scary governments.
Sorry, I sometimes forget who I’m talking to.
“Scary Governments”
Fella, go outside, breath fresh air, eat something you like and please get over that banning you receive some time ago.
You’re starting to sound like a 12 year old.
Maybe. But in the meantime let’s discuss my point.
You aren’t being “censored”, and you don’t have a point. You can spout whatever shitty point of view got you banned on the street with a sign if you want, nobody will stop you.
Actually, when they remove your post, that’s literal censorship. Look it up.
Censorship is suppression or prohibition of speech. As I already said, you’re free to say whatever you want, so you are not being censored. When you go outside to touch grass, as has been suggested, then you can practice saying whatever you want to whomever you see!
If you think privately hosted websites are obligated to host whatever garbage the worst of the Internet can create, because deleting anything ever is “censorship”, then you are wrong. Imagine being so entitled!
Censorship is suppression or prohibition of speech
by government. Private entities don’t have to enable your speech if they don’t want to.
When your post is removed, that’s literally suppression of speech. Therefore it falls under the term “censorship”. I feel pedantic to drive that into the ground like this. But how is this not clear?
Do you mean persecution? Do you understand that those are different things?
Ya we already discussed that elsewhere. Close enough. My point doesn’t take a doctorate to grasp.
Those prosecute you. People on SM persecute you. Not the same thing.
Although I do agree with the sentiment of “innocent until proven guilty” and give benefit of the doubt without sufficient evidence of any actual wrongdoing. Someone simply saying someone did something isn’t proof enough of anything, considering lying exists and can come from either side of the story.
Also, kicking people when they’re down isn’t something new or special or unique to SM. It’s been part of human nature since the dawn of fucking time.
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Potatoes. That’s the majority. There’s no hope here.
Said the potato.
People don’t understand that a lot of interactions are driven by corpos paying PR shops to drive desired narratives.
The “modding” everyone complains about is censorship to suppress unfavourable facts. The mods ain’t power tripping, their doing their jobs as expected by the handlers.
So it’s just efficient? Ok.
Explaining your actions may be the right (prosocial?) thing to do but right is not the point. Control is the point.
And 99% of the people here never say anything deviant enough to get censored over anyway. So what’s a few edge cases.
That’s kinda cynical, which I can appreciate.
It definitely shows that the power structures have their hands in any relevant social media discussion. I would posit that mods pay critical role with that system.
Most recent example is modding we get on main subs re Luigi… Some how censorship on fedi was stronger than reddit, at least week post the denial of life.
The pattern of behaviour is is the same. Tjere is a topic, it need to be discussed a certain way, people generally small minorities will say wrong thing, they get removed. Narrative holds up.
With Luigi public sentiment was so strong that they could not suppress the genuine public opinion hence why reddit didn’t even try for the first week.
Here we had mods argue all sorts of weird shit and none of it really landed. The rules are vague enough to remove any wrong think they need.
Mod logs will show a pattern of behaviour.
Israeli genocide in Gaza is another topic where mods shill regime narratives.
But theh don’t do over everything, you can do culture war circle jerk all you want.
Also, mods are no uniform bit mods for each sub have their specific narrative and they will never accept discussions that would undermine it.
You can criticize Israel but only in sanctioned way.
Another example is kamala prez campaign… No discussion, either you shill her or you are removed.
And fedi ain’t even a speck on social media land scape but we sure got a full blown gestapo field office to heard 50k monthly users lol
So decency is out the window. We are just participants in our own mindfuckery.
I guess we need to find the “most free” Lemmy instance. Are there reviews?
Good discussions happen in the meme subs which is kinda ironic.
But anything of high traffic will attract bad faith actors for “modding”
Fedi itself is pretty resilient since it is decentralized, so at worst it is a sub ban or instance ban on ml for disrespectimg she-pooh
Also there other reasons why mods could make their discussions clearly but there is definitely pattern of behavior.
Good discussions happen in the meme subs which is kinda ironic.
I’ve noticed that too. It’s like a forest fire (high popularity, enshittification?) went through there and now healthy stuff grows. Probably a cyclic thing.
What we need is truly niche subs. Which by definition must be hard to access.
