watch liberals claim the elections were fraudulent, and that the oblasts actually wanna stay part of Ukraine.
I’ve already seen libs claiming that they were literally forced to vote at gunpoint.
They took down the video so I can’t link it but France24 English had a video of this guy https://youtu.be/efLR3Uqr5lc saying the voters were being forced to vote to join Russia under gunpoint while showing this b-roll: https://youtu.be/xkU_qPC650k
They likely realised how ridiculous it looked and decided to remove the video.
Nothing new under the moon. Same was said about Crimean referendum.
There were international observers right?
Libs don’t care. They’ll just dismiss it and say all the international observers must’ve been paid off.
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“Experts”
Ah okay then
Hey, the CIA and NED press departments are almost certainly experts in their respective fields!
That’s exactly how it’s being spun in the news here. It’s exclusively referred to as a “sham referendum”, even before anything was known about it. Not a single article actually has any proof or even evidence at all that it’s a sham.
They’re welcome to visit Donetsk and ask people if they were forced to vote at gunpoint.
Can’t promise they’ll be safe thought, between “Petal” mines littering some streets, Ukrainian shellings, which serve no military purpose, and what some locals will do to them for implying they wanted to stay part of a nazi state responsible for the above and/or implying they know better than the locals who is shelling them and scattering the mines.
They are bit suspiciously high. Then again, why would anyone living in those regions want to stay part of Ukraine? It’s much poorer, offers only neoliberal hell, a collapsed economy, ultra-nationalism and hefty prison sentences for almost everyone in those regions. Besides, the people against the accession probably just stayed home anyway.
Most of the pro-Kiev people likely fled a while ago. There probably weren’t many of them (even before February) in the LPR and DPR
Yeah, that may explain it. Is there an estimate for how many pro-Kiev people fled from the territories captured in 2022?
Edit: That was a stupid question. “Hey you there fleeing, do you by any chance support Kiev?”. I should have asked how many people fled from the territories captured in 2022.
No idea. TASS probably has some estimates
Yes there is to some degree. Russia has been the largest recipient of ukrainian immigrants in 2022. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/qa-the-uk-and-the-ukraine-refugee-situation/ 2.2 million, followed by 1.3 million in Poland, 1 million in Germany, 400k in czechia.
Now, estimating how many left Russia and assuming they are pro-ukraine for that is more complicated.
Proukraine people didn’t vote in many cases. Mostly because Ukraine threatened to kill or prosecute those who voted in the referendum.
Don’t forget that Eastern areas of Ukraine are mostly Russian-speaking and linguistic and national questions here are very tied in together. With the reality of the current situation too.
Considering that every territory remaining under Ukraine control after all this will be thoroughly “derussified” and politically cleaned up by nazis like the abandoned areas around Izyum. Fate similar to that which was prepared for DPR and LPR since 2014.
Becoming part of Russia is a need for survival of those people at this point.
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Hell, Russia was OK with just giving large minority Russian regions (kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk, Odessa) partial autonomy. That’s what was agreed about Donetsk and Luhansk in the Minsk accords that Zelensky ignored.
Important to take into account participation, comrades. In kherson, the actual support was like 55% iirc. In zaporizhia it was 60%. In Donetsk and Luhansk it was quite a lot higher iirc.
So, not really the “oh my god, obviously falsified referendums” that libs cry about.
