• the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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    10 hours ago

    Utah? We should have created it in Germany. We were already partitioning the country, they started the Holocaust which necessitated a Jewish homeland, and most of the people who would move to Israel were from Europe and used to its climate.

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      7 hours ago

      Yep, shoulda just done this

      That said the zionist movement predates WW2, and the balfour declaration is one of the major culprits, so carving out half of england would’ve also been a solution.

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        Jokes aside if it was only about having a safe space for the jewish they would have taken the Jewish Autonomous Oblast but they wanted that specific region for historical reasons and that is why they would have rejected the South German State of Israel the same way they ultimately rejected the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and by shrinking the German State (East and West combined compared to the Weimar Republic) to 1/3 of their previous size you would effectively end up with some hybrid form of the Palestine problem and the Donbass problem.

        Personally I would have chosen an island like Sardegna where random invasions from your neighbours are unlikely but I think at the end they’d still have resettled Palestine even if you gave them the whole of Britain.

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        Half is maybe too much, but a portion of Bavaria bordering Austria and Czechoslovakia would make sense. With a piece of Danube too. Looks nice and useful for transportation of goods.

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    Not disagreeing that the US does a lot of fuckery in the middle east but I think it’s ultimately the UK that started the mess.

    EDIT: West Texas is pretty empty. Israel can have it all.

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        The Ottomans were quite permissive of other cultures, you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.

        After the British conspired to incite uprisings in the Ottomans, that’s when they came down hard on their subjects to quell any further uprisings (it didn’t work)

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          you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.

          No they didn’t leave you in peace, just the tax part wasn’t optional.

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        Youtube videos are a disaster in historical accuracy.

        The Ottoman empire was stable. They had beef with Armenia. But that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.

        The empire was not a beacon of wealth but it was nothing like the crackpot the middle east has turned into since British and French colonialism.

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          that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.

          They never turned secular while still being Ottoman Empire. It was formally a Caliphate. The Ottoman Sultan called himself Caliph among other things. It had “nations” separated on religious basis inside, with their own governing hierarchy etc.

          There was a short era of Tanzimat, which is treated by people ignorant of history as some sort of it turning into a civilized state, but it was still monarchy, and Christians were still slaves. It was, however, enough for Muslims to feel a lot of hate because of even the appearance of some kind of emancipation.

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          That was mostly England. The Balfour Declaration kicked it all off, and then post WW1 British Colonialism locked it in, even though the people who founded Israel were actively fighting England to do so.

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    Well too be fair, Lawrence of Arabia tapped into existing resentment up forment his revolt

    There’s always been differing interests in the middle east, whether it’s religious, ethnic or something else. To say otherwise takes away from the agency of the people living there

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    God didn’t give the Jews Utah, they got from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq. So say the magic scrolls.

    Which should pretty much be understood as the Zionist goal to claim as the lands of Israel. They will not stop until they have it. They will keep doing incremental land grabs after wars that they goad others into starting, as they have done with Palestine.

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    It would be nice to see the genocidal religions being squarely blamed rather than the nations that are infested with them.

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    23 hours ago

    Judging by the downvotes, a lot of Lemmitors have no idea how the world works. Just living in the Marvel Cinematic Universe—must be nice.