I’m not gonna bother posting a Reddit screenshot or a tweet. We’ve all seen enough, and way more than it’s healthy. Just wanna say, people really support shit ideas that will pretty much inevitably end with a nuclear exchange. It’s really depressing to see people foaming at the mouth with racist warhawk takes. That’s all.
No don’t say that, I had plans to watch the voters vote away climate change!!
I’m not afraid of climate change like I am of nuclear apocalypse. Nuclear exchange is more likely than not to kill all human life. Every person or with no real change of repopulation. There isn’t a scenario where climate change manages to do that.
I fear nuclear apocalypse not because I don’t think humanity could bounce back from it but because nobody should ever have their lives snuffed out on the whims of some warhawk ordering death from above as they melt cities.
On the flip side if we lose the gulf stream, oceanic currents, stagnation of water and algae blooms, increase hydrogen in the water from it trapped in ice poisoning water, death of sea life from warming seas, erratic weather, loss of arable fertile land (this is the big one) and so on, I don’t see how humanity can come back from that. Sure tribes might survive but society won’t I feel.
Arable farmland in the UK is already in decline due to erratic weather for example and with society as it is currently floundering, loss of more farmland and refusal to move to more sustainable food production is going to make a lot of people starve in the coming decades I feel.
I agree climate change isn’t going to kill us overnight, it’s a slow creeping death but I dont think society is capable of adapting to changes quick enough for it to be considered manageable.
Nuclear war on the other hand, the button press to end a cities worth of lives is a very scary and cruel prospect regardless of its reach but the effected area isn’t global unless people choose it to be in the same way that climate change will unequivocally affect us all.
For me one is sadly an inevitability at this point unless real change takes place across world governments, the other while plausible requires an active decision to initiate which is why climate change is still at the top of my worry list.
Ok. I thought nukes were worse than that.
The nukes are much, much worse. Nuclear winter could mean the death of every plant and every animal that depends on plants. That means the extinction of all human life, even tribes. Climate change is bad, but nuclear winter is several orders of magnitude worse.
Honestly I think you both make great points but with one option verging on inevitable at this point and the other playing nuke roulette.
Like either way they’re both terrible fucking options with a death prize at the end.
Sure nukes are immediate death but we gotta acknowledge climate change is currently wiping out food and water supply in developing nations.
CC is essentially decimation by another name, just hasn’t hit cinemas (as much) in the West yet.
A lot of people here talking as if one won’t likely lead to another. Climate change creates more scarcity. More scarcity means conventional war is more likely. More conventional war means more likely chance of non-conventional war as stakes increase.
As soon as conventional forces get within an arbitrary distance of a nuclear site or threaten to corner leaders, woosh up the missiles go.
^ needs more visibility. Shit’s terrifying.
It depends on how much land coverage all the nukes will have. Regardless they will be devastating for human civilization.
I’m obviously not an authority on the matter, but from what I’ve read regarding simulations of a nuclear conflict between India and Pakistan, even with only a tiny fraction of the world’s nuclear arsenal involved and the direct conflict limited to those two countries, the effects would be felt worldwide, with global agricultural production being disrupted and hundreds of millions potentially suffering from starvation as a result. While it is true that climate crisis is pretty much unavoidable and therefore more pressing than a hypothetical nuclear conflict, we must keep in mind that the effects of a nuclear exchange aren’t limited to just the initial destruction.
What did one dinosaur say to the other dinosaur, “don’t worry, it’s only one meteor.”