just like we had lemmygrad.ml as an alternative for Reddit, we need to have an alternative for discord. discord’s new policies have been supressing servers and members left and right. Now there are some options that I want to present here

Guilded: Basically very nice UI, it’s completely free most nitro features of discord are completely free on Guilded. it has got more features that discord doesn’t have the only issue is that it is gaming centric and majority communities are related to gaming

Revolt: Github open source like lemmy same features as discord, good UI, there are some features like that it lacks but upcoming and promising.

slack and matrix are trash don’t fall for it

If somehow discord server gets banned, you would be thanking me for this.

thank you for reading and upvoting

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    “I downvoted you for complaining about downvotes”

    I only mentioned downvotes because the creator of this thread has downvoted literally every contradictory opinion and that is a data point that indicates a general intransigence. I don’t mind being downvoted at all, but the decision to downvote so consistently is a data point.

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      Imma be real, fighting against NSA and Silicon Valley is hopeless regardless

      Even if you’re using Tails and encrypted messaging like Matrix, they will still easily track you down if they want to. It’s happened before. You think they care about warrants? Backdoors? They’re already all in place.

      The average person will never take measures anywhere close as secure to this

      You say the more layers between you the better you’ll be but that’s not true. The moment you step out of line like those dumbasses on Twitter saying they want to start a revolution or be like Second Thought and make widespread messages, you’ll be tracked down and get feds knocking on your door

      They already won on the media front, technological front (security, surveillance, censorship, access, data, everything), and ideological front

      Talking about sensitive stuff is completely meaningless right now. Maybe try in like 50 years when the average person is homeless and starving. Conditions are nowhere near ready, especially when you consider the most insane propaganda campaign that they have won, are currently winning, and will continue winning

      Just shitpost and hand out food and supplies to your fellow citizens or smth

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        Hopeless is not a language in my vocabulary. Sure, I acknowledge that comsec is an uphill battle, but the actual way that world operates is way more stovepiped than people think from the outside looking in. The inter-departmental approval to use x, y, or z backdoors or warrants is not straightforward at all. To say nothing of the intergovernmental cooperation! Regardless, I am not gonna make it easy for them to know who I am. (I actually have experience in the military side of that world… they are not omnipotent at all)

        I think that the idea that we are nowhere near ready is a bit pessimistic but in a quite naive way. The average american is propagandized to shit, sure, but they are not as stupid as the propaganda has led you to believe. when the material reality diverges from the propaganda consistently then it will not take 50 years. Humans are not monoliths and the life of the average american is accelerating towards just pure suck.

        Don’t abdicate your duty to the struggle based off of the illusion which the capitalist propaganda has created for you. Your negativity is a result of a different arm of their propaganda campaign just as much as the people who think capitalism is good. They are not omnipotent or all powerful.

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          I just don’t think it’s a good use of time or effort for 99.99999% of people to larp

          Only useful for bourgeoisie class traitors, journalists, people with large followings (like BayArea previously, Max Blumenthal, etc.) etc.

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            It’s not larping. This is real life, people are killed, imprisoned, and rendered homeless for the affiliations many on here voice on a regular basis.

            Comsec is a real skill and it is most certainly not “only useful” for class traitors, journos, etc. It is their decision if they choose to listen but I will certainly not stop voicing my opinion and insight on it.

            Also, it is becoming clear you didn’t downvote me for complaining about downvotes you downvoted me because you think that taking comsec seriously is a waste of time. Imagine if the people who hid my jewish grandfather had said the same “The Nazis are gonna find out you’re a jew anyway, let’s just tell them your jewish, it’s not like they’ll do anything about you, you don’t have a large following.”

            Stop listening to the capitalist propaganda, comrade.

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              I actually didn’t even read your original comment past the complaint about downvoting until you mentioned OP was downvoting everybody in the 2nd comment so I went back to read what it was about lol

              Also lol at thinking a VPN in Switzerland is making it difficult for them. Read about Crypto AG https://www.swisscommunity.org/en/news-media/swiss-review/article/the-cia-used-a-swiss-company-to-spy-on-over-100-countries

              If anything, all your measures are making you easier to detect and pick out from the crowd of noise

              There is no hiding

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                Don’t be a prick based off of one comment. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean no one else does. I am well aware of the Swiss complicity in imperial activity. Imagine thinking a communist doesn’t know about how compromised switzerland is. I also understand how individual swiss people do take their reputation for privacy seriously. Just because the CIA uses a service does not mean it is wide open for the world to see. This is exactly what I meant when I referred to how stovepiped the intel world is. The CIA tends to use services specifically to protect them from the US government snooping. The world is not black and white and the imperial governments are not monoliths. There is no institution with a key to enter every single door - otherwise IP theft (between defense contracting companies, for example) would be far more prevalent. There are absolutely precautions which can be taken. So long as you don’t jump to number one on their list these orgs will not dedicate all their resources to finding out who you are. The FBI and CIA are far more interested in fomenting specific types of terrorism than in preventing communist communications, you can be cautious enough to avoid them discovering who you are. Like the US military, these orgs are way better at PR and stirring the pot than at actual surveillance.

                Granted, I am no expert on the technical side, but I do understand how the government and intel world works

                To add, I am under no illusions that many of my precautions may be for naught and undermined by some of my other activities on the internet, I just think that when you understand the inter-departmental red tape and the internal politics of who gets to see what, and who admits to what operations when, it doesn’t make sense to just throw comsec out the window

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                  Security by bureaucratic red tape huh? I’ve never heard of anything like this before. I hope it works out for you comrade

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                    By understanding the imperial architecture my friend.

                    Me too. But seriously, my thought while writing this was that if we actualy had a discussion I’d bet we’d agree on many things, it’s just hard to express all our nuanced opinions in text.

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                  These are the words to live by. Although I know I can’t totally stop them but yeah I can go as far as making it so hard for them that it is not a viable option (to acquire my data) anymore