In other words, “the Ukraine war will never end as long as I’m in charge” - Zelensky
Seems like a military coup is a likely possibility if things keep going the way they are.
i can’t believe they haven’t already killed him the way things are going
Translation, Zelensky will drag this war out until he runs out of people to throw in the meat grinder.
Translation, Putin will drag this war out until he runs out of people to throw in the meat grinder.
I’m trying to get an understanding of as many sides of the conflict as possible, what makes you argue that Russia will run out of personel before Ukraine?
My understanding is that Russia’s decision to call this a “special military operation” limits the number of people they can drag in to the war. Calling it what it is and mobilizing people who have not signed up for the army would also risk unrest in the population when your average, non-Z-fanatic folk is dragged in to the battle.
Also, the expert opinions I’ve read have estimated that both sides will run out of people this year.
These are same experts who predicted that Russia will run out of equipment and ammunition any day now for four months straight?
No.
Let me put it another way then, has anything these experts you’ve been reading predicted that actually came to pass so far?
For the most part, yes. Before Feb 24th, hey had estimated that the forces amassed around Ukraine would not be enough to take over Ukraine and thus did not think Russia would actually attack. They ended up being correct about the former, though Russia has since scaled down their ambitions dramatically and have had more success as a result. These are Finnish military experts which have focused on Russia specifically for decades.
Russia will win this war, and the outcome is not in question. There is no logical benefit for Ukraine to continue dragging it out. The end result will be that Ukraine will lose more territory and create a greater humanitarian crisis. This entire war could’ve been averted if Ukraine accepted being neutral and renounced NATO ambitions.
Ukraine isnt able to decide anything for itself. Its being managed entirely by NATO/USA.
Right, putting in a puppet regime that would be willing to destroy the country was the whole point of 2014 coup.
Ukraine will not win this war. But neither will Russia.
what? Some metaphorical not winning?
I don’t see how they will not.
you really think ukraine is whats gonna break russia?
sus
Fucking delusional.
This is like Hitler thinking that “The German-Soviet war must end with LibEraTinG SiBeRiA”.
in like 1944
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That’s a weird comparison, since Russia took Crimea from Ukraine after a covert invasion and sham election. Wouldn’t it be more like Czechoslovakia saying that it would take back Sudentenland from Nazi Germany? After all, Russia is invading with the excuse of protecting ethnic Russians.
Sham election? the majority of Crimea is Russian! It was given to Ukraine under soviet administration for easier logistical coordination. This isn’t proof of some divine right over ukraine. Any proof it was a sham election besides bluster? they had it like 3 times
The guy is a billionaire with properties in Florida. He’s just a western puppet overseeing the destruction of Ukraine, once it’s all over he’ll flee to the states and live in comfort.
He is not a billionaire. He’s wealthy from his comedy show, but that’s not enough to catapult him into the billionaire class.
obviously not from comedy, but from being a lackey of the west
sellouts get paid well
Ah, he’s obviously a paid off billionaire. That’s how misinformation/disinformation gets spread.
he was in the pandora papers
I read the whole article and it never comes close to claiming that Zelensky is a billionaire. Feel free to quote if I missed something.
Pandora papers show that offshore companies of Zelensky and his team have received huge sums from offshore companies associated with Kolomoisky since 2012, when the Kvartal 95 studio started cooperating with the businessman’s 1 + 1 television channel. Ukrainian oligarchs, such as Rinat Akhmetov, Viktor Pinchuk, Igor Kolomoisky have also funded this guy. While Pandora papers don’t give an actual number, given how long this has been going on, it’s not an unreasonable estimate of his wealth. However, even if he’s not a full on billionaire, the guy is both incredibly corrupt and filthy rich.
You’re moving the goal posts there. Now it’s okay to just guess at numbers, and holdings as part of what is apparently a successful comedy studio he founded are self-evidently corrupt?
You’re right that there isn’t a number available for his wealth, so it has to be inferred from what’s publicly known. However, it’s quite obvious that Zelensky is utterly corrupt. Even the Guardian admits that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe. It would be absolutely fantastical that a person who is not corrupt somehow ended up in a position of power in Ukraine. The fact that Zelensky has direct ties to the oligarchs and offshores assets as Pandora papers show is direct proof of corruption.
if it said it directly you would be making a show of saying its some sort of “russian propaganda”
I would have been a little extra wary because that’s a big claim, done some due diligence, and concluded that they’re almost certainly trustworthy. They don’t seem to have any agenda besides their stated anti-corruption agenda.
Actually, it’s pretty easy to see that they do have an agenda because they practically never expose western elites. If you look at the numbers, it’s overwhelmingly focused in countries the west considers to be adversaries.
Then I’m afraid that it won’t end until the Ukrainians run out of manpower. It seems to me that the Russians have heavy artillery, working supply lines and patience. I’m saddened by stories reportedly from Ukranian soldiers lamenting their lack of equipment and effective defensive positions.
But do they have working supply lines? They don’t seem to do well with supply lines within hostile territory.
no one has totally secure supply lines in hostile territory, do you think if ukraine invaded crimea (which is 90% ethnic russian) that they wouldn’t have the same problem? Even then, Russia has systematically reduced the Ukrainian nationals in number, and slowly built incredibly dependable supply. Ukraine can barely even use the NATO aid it is given
Plenty of proud Ukrainians are ethnically Russian. Plenty of Russian nationals, ethnically Russian, do not support Putin
Plenty of proud Ukrainians are ethnically Russian
And I proudly call them all stupid for siding with fascists.
Plenty of Russian nationals, ethnically Russian, do not support Putin
I sure hope so, the leading opposition to putin is the Soviet Communist Party, and this war has increased their numbers drastically
Good luck with that lmao
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Defending your country from invasion is being a puppet now?
instigating war on behalf of a leader who controls your funds is being a puppet
damn, it got removed lol
It’s sad to think what Russia has done to the Crimean Tatars.
huh
Hopefully by the end of the year or earlier. Russia is basically running out of people.
okay and also how the fuck is ukraine somehow full of infinite trained fighters and russia is full of like 30 people with sticks. Lets go to liberal imagination land lol
From what I understand, people in russia are noticing that no one is coming back or coming back without legs or arms or dead. Obviously the same in Ukraine. However russian soldiers don’t see their country unfairly attacked so they don’t have the drive to enlist other than the corrupt government forcing them in clearly evil ways like just going to your house and literally taking you. On the other hand, you got the Ukraninans who, on the very first days of the war would make and use Molotov cocktails. They see an asshole country destroying theirs and their way of life. So they got everything to lose. That’s why they come back. Plus men of fighting age are not allowed to leave. Most of the world see how russia’s asshole guy, little pipiputin is killing innocent people. As you might understand, most of the world has most of the people who live in the world, and they got something to lose. The world has their future to lose if russia starts WW3 or if they start using nukes. This is why russia is loosing soldiers and Ukraine keeps getting more and better trained ones.
At least that’s what I understand. It might be that the world wants to become a slave to cancer baldy pipiputin. There are people like that. Would you like to be a servant of a guy dying from cancer who is killing kids?
Putin has cancer?
It’s not a sheer numbers game but also the fact that the Russian army is so useless and ineffective, that superior numbers can’t make up for the hopelessness and demoralization of being an incompetent soldier sent to die in a foreign land for the ambitions of one corrupt and incompetent ruler, in a war that you don’t really want to participate in. When one Ukrainian fighter equals ten or more Russian soldiers the odds aren’t exactly in Russia’s favor. Many have already deserted the battlefield and many more will.
If one Ukrainian soldier equals ten, then with the 1 million forces that Ukraine has with billions of dollars of weapons from NATO, Russia would need 10 million troops on the front just to hold them back.
Instead we see Russia making steady advances with only ~150k troops committed. Use some sense before you share your thoughts.
When one Ukrainian fighter equals ten or more Russian soldiers
how the hell did you get these statistics
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