It seems the US is on a warpath. They really do want china to invade. Hopefully this game of chicken doesn’t end in nuclear annihilation.

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      The only being able to plan 3 months at a time is very apt, since I’m pretty convinced the US thought that when Russia invaded they would gather a coalition of the “international community” and implement as many sanctions as possible on Russia, and that they would soon yield and be forced to the negotiating table because of it. That failed, and they seemingly have no plan B at all. The only plan now seems to be to try and keep it going as long as possible, because a Ukrainian defeat is not going to be good for the current ruling political establishment in the US, so they want to kick that can down the road hoping it’ll fall when a different ruling party is in power. Just like Afghanistan.

      People like to think of western elites as sinister and shrewd schemers, but really they’re just egotistical numbskulls.

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          It’s multi pronged. Ukraine will be forced to borrow from the IMF and World Bank in the same endless debt-cycle that has created the entire “Third World”. Their resources will be given to the global corps to squeeze as much profit as possible while the majority of Ukranians will work ever harder for less and less.

          At the end of the day it’s all backed by the missile and the jet, so there really is no objection that will stand.

          Such is the playbook that has worked so well for the parasitic capitalist class

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          I have a feeling after the mid terms Ukraine will completely drop out of the western media consciousness except for maybe a couple isolated incidents and “victories” that make it to the press. Again, just like Afghanistan.

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          I mean, they’re encouraging the Ukraine to blow up a nuclear power plant and cause a nuclear disaster on a scale unseen since Chernobyl so… I dunno what the hell they are thinking.

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    From reading the article it doesn’t seem like it’s diplomatic recognition yet. But if they escalate to that, the US is gonna get sanctioned.

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    Okay, now I am full paranoid. The USA has to have some sort of plan, right? This is the USA we’re talking about! Home of the FBI and CIA! They can’t be doing all this dumb shit without some aces up their sleeve.

    I wonder what…

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        Starting to think this too. It genuinely seems like they’ve bought their own propaganda and they don’t know what they’re doing.

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      the fbi, cia, nsa, etc etc etc exist to protect the international capitalists

      the USians have paid for interventionist wars for almost the entirety of the country’s existence, while the capitalist class reaps all the rewards

      the system will spare no expense to subjugate any country that dares to wander from the global capitalist system’s dictates as we’ve seen time and time again

      there is a rising and coordinated rebellion among the outcast countries whereby they’re grouping together to work outside the global system and the US doesn’t spend $800+ billion to just sit back and let the system fail.

      there will be war and it will involve many countries, but the US will be the instigator and it will bear the brunt of the cost to preserve the system that has concentrated so much power in so few people

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        USA elite are just gonna keep isolating themselves. Everyone already hates them and they have no friends. Crazy they still convince people to do their dirty work for them.

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              Starvation is real and we have to step over homeless people every day to remind us what happens if we step out of line.

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                At some point enough people will have enough and do something about it since society is a bunch of social relations. Same with money. Those paper/gold/digital units have little value out side of the social context and we have some ability to augment our business relations.

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    I want to clarify that I don’t personally think the US establishment elite actually wants china to invade. I don’t think they would intervene if china attempted reunification, just like they didn’t intervene for Ukraine, a country they have actual, signed written documents stating they would intervene to protect, unlike Taiwan, a country they don’t even recognize as real.

    What I think the US is doing here, is betting on china extending sanctions on Taiwan. They want to goade them into extending them through these actions, maybe even goading them into completely decoupling Taiwan from China, in the form of Cuba style sanctions. It’s incredibly hard to decouple Taiwan from China as it is now, because Taiwan is a small island country, right next door to a massive economy in china, they naturally are going to be very dependant on them, regardless of politics.

    But, from what I think the US long term goals are, they think they can decouple Taiwan from China by goading china into doing it themselves. This will make the island more reliant on the US. The they can open the door to yank boots on the ground on the island, and western recognition of the government. Basically, they want a Cuba-US situation, but with Taiwan as Cuba and them as the USSR. If this all goes to plan I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a Cuban missile crisis scenario years down the line where the US attempts to put missiles on the island to “protect democracy”. They obviously can’t do this now, because Taiwan is very dependant on china, and china has made it clear that military intervention isn’t off the table. But in maybe a decade, when china has isolated the island further and further and Taiwan has become more and more reliant on the US, maybe a taiwanese government completely captured by US interests might make a move to call for US troops and weaponry in the island, and maybe a certain “international community” might call for that as well in the face of a “brutal and inhumane blockade of the democracy of Taiwan by china”.

    Of course, all of this goes kaput if the US keeps calling their bluff and china does end up invading, like Russia. Or, china cools down and doesn’t try to further isolate the island. In the end, I don’t know anything, just rambling.

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      Except Taiwan would end up as a capitalistic neoliberal rump state that will not have the same lasting endurance as a socialist island nation.

      No way in hell a capitalist island country can stand against the same kind of sanctions and embargoes that Cuba does.

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        Throughout the 50s-70s, south Korea’s budget was almost entirely (over 90%) funded by US aid. The government was incredibly repressive, and unrest caused by the immense poverty in their country was squashed with the help of the US military stationed in the country. This could be a similar predicament Taiwan finds itself in in this hypothetical scenario.

        Taiwan was already under a somewhat similar situation during the Chiang-Kai shek regime, albeit without outright US military occupation. Taiwan used to be under a heavy authoritarian grip. They would only need to revert to their more authoritarian past to keep the nation running.

        Obviously, just like the past south Korean regime, corruption would be rampant, and the government would be incredibly unstable. But with US military occupation, they can make sure a freindly government is always in place.

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          South Korea’s access to resources isnt blocked. China would embargo the piss out of Taiwan.

          The Cuban situation and the South Korean and or Taiwan situation is not the same.

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    We all knew it wasn’t going to just end with Pelosi visiting right? They’re going to get their war one way or another.

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        most likely they not having enough staff due to paying very little and doing nothing other than squealing that nobody wants to work any more

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      If you really want it, you still have a chance to go and buy it. Sadly it seems we won’t get the full fall in prices which would have resulted from the crypto miners being wiped out.

      In a few years there will be cheaper Chinese chips also.

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        I think we will see cheaper graphics cards in the next couple months prob when eth merges. Don’t buy new electronics if you care about money. They drop in price very severely with time. My workstation I’m making out of old Xeon’s like $30 each on X99 platform. You can get motherboard on aliexpress.

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    Reminder to stock up on essential goods and medications (many of you have been writing about having various illnesses…).