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Bug isn’t even a technical term. Lobsters are considered bugs!
That’s a great point you big dumb bitch.
Yeah I always assumed “bug” was like “vegetable” — it’s a colloquial, not taxonomic, term. But there are “true bugs” so maybe the analogy isn’t completely sound.
(And tomato is absolutely a vegetable.)
They’re culinary vegetables. My wife likes to say it like this: intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing that it doesn’t go in a fruit salad.
I always love the “explaining dnd stats with a tomato” bit:
Strength is being able to throw a tomato really far.
Dexterity is being able to catch the tomato thrown really far.
Constitution is being fine after eating a bad tomato.
Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is knowing a tomato doesn’t go in fruit salad.
Charisma is being able to sell a tomato based fruit salad.
Also, obligatory “salsa is tomato in a fruit salad”.
Isn’t a tomato the only fruit in salsa?
…no, salsa is mostly peppers…
Can’t forget about peppers
I hadn’t but wasn’t thinking of them as fruit, also has a lot of onions which also isn’t a fruit.
You know you can just put whatever you want in your salsa right, no cop is gonna stop you. I have a very nice mango salsa the other night, it was only one step removed from a fancy fruit salad.
And the obligatory response to the “tomato-based fruit salad” response: “found the bard!”
Alternatively you could stick with the theme established by the first two stats and say that constitution is throwing a tomato really far repeatedly.
Caprese is fruit salad.
Everyone loves my tomato/eggplant/pumpkin fruit salad. I bring it to parties, and they all say it looks so good, they want to make sure everyone else gets a chance to eat it. Except everyone says that, and I end up having to take it home and throw it out.
Well, sweet tomato marmalade is actually quite tasty ;)
Agreed. In my mind “bug” has always meant arthropod. So it’s include insects, spiders, crustaceans, etc.
You wouldn’t say that if you ever tried those tomatoes https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/01/17/culture/foodTravel/tomango-tomato/20210117130800678.html
I’d even call them candy.
Injected with… stevia?
I’d prefer vodka in watermelons, personally!
I’m sorry but you’re simply incorrect.
Bug is a technical term. Only insects of order Hemiptera, categorized by the ability to fly and the presence of piercing, sucking mouth parts, are considered true bugs.
Lobsters are certainly not considered bugs.
I’m sorry but you’re simply incorrect. Bug can be a technical term, but that doesn’t also preclude it from also being a non-technical term, because words often have more than one meaning. See also: theory.
Merriam-Webster, definition 1:
a: any of an order (Hemiptera and especially its suborder Heteroptera) of insects (such as an assassin bug or chinch bug) that have sucking mouthparts, forewings thickened at the base, and incomplete metamorphosis and are often economic pests
called also true bug
b: any of various small arthropods (such as a beetle or spider) resembling the true bugs
c: any of several insects (such as a head louse) commonly considered obnoxious
“a: any of an order (Hemiptera and especially its suborder Heteroptera) of insects (such as an assassin bug or chinch bug) that have sucking mouthparts, forewings thickened at the base, and incomplete metamorphosis and are often economic pests”
This is the primary and most correct definition of bug.
Yes, people use it wrong. That doesn’t change the definition of the word.
Yes, people use it wrong. That doesn’t change the definition of the word.
Actually it does, that’s how language works.
Colloquial language for the salt of the earth
If enough people use it wrong, it becomes right.
Now you get to learn the difference between descriptive and prescriptive definitions.
The scientific taxonomic system was made, in part, because traditional colloquial terms are a mess. For example, “daddy longlegs” refers to a type of spider in my area, but there are two other animals and three plants that it could refer to depending on where you grew up. Taxonomists saw that there are ten different standards, decided to make a new one to replace them all, and for once, it actually worked out for the most part.
“Bug” is one of those old terms. It might have been mapped post hoc on top of the modern taxonomic system, but it didn’t start that way, and isn’t always used that way. I wouldn’t expect an entomologist to use the term at all in formal contexts.
Crawdads are still mudbugs though.
But commonly it’s a catch all for any creepy crawly, including arachnid. The classification is even called True Bug, not just Bug
But they wanted to feel smugly superior! Poor fella can’t even be pedantic properly…
Jesus Christ someone get that dude a therapist.
But his username is mentally healthy so how could he need a therapist?
Or tell him he’s the Lord of the Flies for being a Hemiptera expert and see what he does.
fewer beer
So close. Less beer, fewer beers. Both acceptable.
The number one rule for pedants is: if you’re going to be pedantic, you’d damn well better be correct.
Display Name: Mentally Healthy
Username: EAT_ROADKILL
Dude is at odds with himself.
Duality of man
I’m not a scientist, but I’m the kind of person to keep black widows as pets and create a website that catalogues all the spiders in my area. I’d allow spiders being called bugs, or even insects. Even poisonous is alright but it does hurt a little.
create a website that catalogues all the spiders in my area
You are a web developer looking for other web developers ;)
We’re going to need a link
It was a Google site (from years ago) so all that’s left is a random archive somewhere. I had all the local spiders+favorites, but the only original content were pictures of Latrodectus and Kukulkania Hibernalis. Beautiful spiders.
What’s your favourite?
Portia jumping spider! It’s such a crazy little machine.
What about you?
Smart little cats with 8 legs, and certaily the most lovely spiders, even for aracnophobics
You need to read read Children of Earth by Adrian Tchaikovsky then.
Popped to mind immediately upon seeing the word Portia
I also really liked his Shards of Earth series if you haven’t seen that one.
i like beetles in general. i have a special place in my heart for weevils but not because of memes, Otiorhynchus is my first ID.
Are some spiders poisonous? Are all animals that are venomous also poisonous? Also I’d like to say that there is no linguistic difference between the two in some languages. There is no distinction between the two in German for instance. It’s either giftig or it isn’t.
None that I know of. I think the OC was just mocking a bit on how some people can get so bent out of shape when the word is used colloquially.
It’s an unfortunate false friend that the German word Gift means poison in English.
Funnily there is also the word “Mitgift” (Dowry) that has nothing to do with poison at all and is closer to the english “gift”.
Same root though. In Dutch it wasn’t differentiated until recently so the same word has vastly different meanings between Afrikaans and Dutch. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gifte#Middle_Low_German
Original meaning seems to be something that was given. So a snake would gift you Poison just like snot nosed brats would gift you a cold during Thanksgiving dinner.
Same meaning as dose in that sense. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/dosis#Latin
The word has been used as a euphemism for “poison” since Old High German, a semantic loan from Late Latin dosis (“dose”), from Ancient Greek δόσις (dósis, “gift; dose of medicine”).
I wondered how the heck it got that meaning. Pretty strange to apply a term for giving something in general to poison specifically.
There is a distinction to make. For example some snake venom is not poisonous when traveling through your digestive system, and only becomes a problem when it enters the blood stream (usually from a bite).
I don’t think it matters in most contexts. When people are casually talking about it, venomous and poisonous are both stand-ins for “it has venom.” They’re not telling other people, “actually, don’t eat spiders.” I was just joking about the classic pedant line about spiders.
But it does make a difference on paper. I’m curious how you would express this in German: A black widow is venomous and in theory a healthy human can eat a dead black widow with no ill effects.
They eat spiders too.
They’re autonomous content scraping internet bots. Aka web crawlers.
You son-of-a-bitch! I’m in! Subscribe me to your facts.
Stupid science bitch couldn’t even understand the joke.
What’s a science removed
Curses are probably replaced with “removed” for you.
Can we have a communication system that does not interfere with communication ?
Talk to your instance or your client. I see it just fine.
Thanks, I didn’t realize the server instance I log in with, could do seamless censorship on the fly like that for content it doesn’t even host. Does that mean there is lemmy content I’m just not seeing ? That’s unacceptable.
Yep. If your instance defederates from certain instances that others don’t defederate from, you won’t see comments from those defederated servers that others might still be able to see and interact with. This is the curse of a decentralized system where every node can make up their own rules.
Can I just run my own single user lemmy server instead ? Why do I even need a third party to manipulate my digital world view ? Will I get autobanned from everywhere for being too small ?
- there is no scientific definition of “bug”. the entire category is a social construct much like vegetables
- this person’s first sentence defined spiderd as insects and the second sentence said they weren’t
They are missing some punctuation where it was desperately needed but imagine a comma or period after " spiders are not bugs" and reread.
ah yes, thank you, my bad
All good my dude… It didn’t make sense to me on my first past either so I figured that it might have gotten you in the same spot too. Just glad to see the community is not throwing down votes at ya anymore, because your comment just felt like an honest misread. Cheers.
TIL, vegetables are a social construct.
This article illustrates this nicely:
https://athensscienceobserver.com/2019/09/30/vegetables-are-a-social-construct/Neither of those two sentences define the spider as either insect or non insect. Did you even read them?
*Edit: I understood wrong your comment is valid but phrased weirdly
And the first sentence literally describes the scientific definition of bug…
Oh I thought they were talking about the first guy’s sentences
A retort in three parts;
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It’s bugs (colloquial), not Bugs (texanomic),
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There’s being pedantic and then there’s being a jackass - that’s you, jackass, and
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@eat_roadkill should embrace their name and go chow down on a three-day-dead skunk.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure taxonomy is in latin because actual scientists got tired of dealing with pedantic dipshits.
“Bug” is an english word so it’s the domain of an etymologist not a biolgist. My lookup of the word indicates applying “bug” to arachnids is perfectly cromulent.
Also, Op never called spiders a bug to begin with
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By this logic Bud Light drinkers eat their buds.
that bud is hops
Nobody would eat hops you big dumb bitch.
As long as you decarb it first, I don’t see an issue. Throw it on some peanut butter crackers and have a good time.
Who among us has not dined on their bud’s ass after a few beers? It’s just common courtesy.
It was said by a big dumb bitch
username doesn’t check out…
Anyone know what the first known case of ‘bug’ exclusively referring to Hemipterans/Heteropterans? The first use of bug being applied to arthropods was in the 1620s in reference to bedbugs (in Hemiptera but not Heteroptera) with the term ladybug (not in Hemiptera) first attested in the 1690s. Both predate Linnean taxonomy. So why and when did entomologists decide to coin this highly restrictive definition? It’s a very English-language term so it surely wasn’t when the taxon was created by Linnaeus.
Taxonomy is a conspiracy invented by neckbeards so they could “um ackshually” us when we call a bug a bug.
My bio professor basically admitted to us that a lot of that pedantry is pure smugness and nobody cares. Further still, all those names are so complicated because scientists love to try to one up each other on difficult to pronounce and needlessly long latin names.
Uhm lmao
